Casey Anthony: Why we need professional jurors and not idiot jurors

Posted July 5, 2011 at 4:16 pm by

Casey Anthony acquitted because of dumb jurors. Photo via Photobucket.

Casey Anthony was acquitted Tuesday on all counts of killing her toddler daughter, Caylee — a verdict that stunned many, with most thinking that she would at least get some sort of lesser murder charge if not 1st degree. Theories are already running rampant as to why the jury found the defense team’s argument that Casey was a liar and slut but not a killer to be more credible somehow than her deplorable and dishonest actions after her daughter went missing and was ultimately found dead.

Casey didn’t cry or try to find her daughter, instead she told the police officers lies and went about her business, participating in hot body contests and partying with her friends. Do actions speak louder than words? As the prosecution put it, who makes an accident look like a murder? The answer is that of common sense — nobody.

Some of the reasons the media has speculated that the jury acquitted Casey Anthony have been a sad indictment of our legal system. The theories are as disappointing as the verdict itself. It makes me wonder, why do we have ordinary citizen jurors, with their own agendas to push. Why not give this important job to professional jurors? By professional, I mean those with a law backgrounds, forensic backgrounds and of whom get paid real wages and not just a few bucks a day? If you’ve ever heard the running joke about jurors — it’s that juries are made up of people who are not smart enough to get out of jury duty. I think the Anthony trial gives us a good example of that. You get laymen people who don’t understand the letter of the law or who are swayed by completely shallow reasons or worse yet, political ideals, and you get a non-partial jury who may side with a killer on principle.

Some of the speculations made by the media include:

1) The jury had a hard time convicting such an attractive woman.

Translation: Jurors are stupid and star struck and they want pretty people to like them, even if beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Casey Anthony doesn’t do anything for me. She has pointy ears and a long face. Hey Casey, why the long face?

2) The prosecution’s case was based on circumstantial evidence.

Translation: The jurors must have honed their legal expertise from the schools of  “CSI” and “Law and Order” and think that unless someone sees another person actually murdering someone, then it didn’t really happen. Truth is, the majority of murder cases are based on circumstantial evidence as most people don’t kill others when witnesses are present.

3) The defense provided enough reasonable doubt.

Translation: The jurors think that reasonable doubt means that if it’s anyway conceivable, it must be real! So, if the defense were to say that Caylee was abducted by aliens and nobody has disproved that aliens exist, there is your reasonable doubt!

4) The Jury was too liberal and doesn’t believe in an “eye for an eye.”

Translation: The jurors just took a big, gigantic shit on the legal system, deciding that nobody should be held accountable for their actions because prison was not designed for punishment.

5) The jury are among those who believe children are disposable and of lesser value than adults, i.e.; if you kill an adult, you have committed evil. Kill a child, and you’ve destroyed something that wasn’t paying taxes anyway. If a mother kills their child, it’s her right.

Translation: Like Andrea Yates, when a mother kills her child, it’s because she needs 0ur support and sympathy, not our scorn and judgement.

I say, eff all that! Can we please get some jurors who are unbiased and intelligent? Just because people find an ugly slut attractive, doesn’t absolve that ugly slut of guilt.

A few years ago, Concurring Opinions offered these reasons for picking professional jurors over the uninformed and uneducated general public:

First, it is ridiculous that juries are basically taught the law after hearing the facts of the case. If one is applying a rule, shouldn’t one know about the rule first in order to determine which facts are relevant and which are not?

Second, it takes law students three years to learn the law — or at least a semester to learn a specific subject like torts — and yet juries are expected to understand the law after just one brief lecture from the judge. Who are we kidding when we think that the jury is really applying the law? Juries probably have little to no idea about what the law is.

So we have a woman walking free for what she is now acquitted of — killing a defenseless toddler and why? Is there no room for common sense anymore? Are these jurors waiting on their 15 minutes of fame? Were they promised something in return? Whatever the reason, it’s a dishonor to Caylee and the whole legal process in general. If this woman can’t get a judgement, who can? Makes me wonder why we bother with civilian jurors who can’t find it in their hearts and minds to do the right thing by the victim.

  • http://www.daddyistired.com Bill

    It’s pretty easy for you to convict her, isn’t it? Especially considering you weren’t sitting in that jury box.

    Have you ever even served on a jury during a trial? You don’t get to hear everything we hear at home. And you get some pretty specific instructions about what you’re allowed to consider, and what you aren’t. Even for minor trials, the checklist of what you have to believe to find someone guilty of something is incredible.

    So while I think she killed her child, to imply that the jury was incompetent is pathetic. Place the blame on a crappy prosecution, or congratulate the defense for putting up a pretty slimy defense. But don’t blame the normal people doing their job. They don’t deserve that.

  • wow

    bill shut up and sit down. everyone knows she did it.

  • http://jareds1kdailies.wordpress.com Jared

    Well as long as you know then I guess that settles it.

  • http://www.imperfectparent.com Jessica

    Jared, I’m guessing your comment was supposed to be sarcastic. I feel compelled to point out — just because the jury didn’t find her guilty doesn’t mean that she didn’t kill Caylee, it just means that they didn’t want to find her guilty for whatever reasons they had. They didn’t have to have valid reasons, they can reach whatever verdict they please. The jury is not the end all-be all. They make mistakes and I feel strongly that made a ginormous one here.

    Just like OJ.

  • http://jareds1kdailies.wordpress.com Jared

    Jessica, you will never find someone who thinks the legal system in the US is fucked more than I do, however I was only being semi-sarcastic with that post. The truth is that I actually don’t know anything other than what my wife screams about this case since I haven’t really kept up with it. I’m sure everyone here knows more than I do about this case. The point I was making is that everyone who is actually involved in the case (not just watching it on TV) knows more than all of us. While it could be very true that (like OJ) she is guiltier than sin but got off clean as a whistle, I don’t know either way. I have no idea if this woman killed her kid. From what I’ve heard, it’s very likely, but I am some guy in Oregon getting snippets from the news. Also from what I’ve heard, she sounds a bit like a sociopath. If she is a for-real sociopath(not WebMD self-diagnosed like everyone else these days), then it is very possible that she could be out partying and acting completely normal after the death of her child. The point I’m making isn’t that she’s not guilty or that she is guilty. It’s that I have no clue. I can guess (and if I were to guess I would say she did it), but in the end I’ll probably never know unless she comes right out and admits it. While I think it’s a travesty of justice that someone I believe is guilty of a horrible crime got sent home, I also realize that the same system that let her go is the system that’s built to make it difficult for the state to launch frivolous claims toward us without sufficient evidence to warrant it. While it may have been grossly undermined in these proceedings, and maybe a very scary and unstable person was loosed onto society because of that, I don’t think it’s fair to (as a spectator) undermine the decisions of people who are actively engaged in something that you’re only watching on television. That’s all. On the whole, we agree: she’s probably a sick woman who murdered a child. The only thing we differ on is the way we view the ramifications of the end result. I guess. Or maybe I’m just rambling.

    Anyway, she would have been better off in prison anyway. If you think this woman will be able to get a job doing anything but fetish porn movies and selling her blood then you’re wrong. The fate waiting for her when she’s turned free is worse than what she’d get in prison, whether she’s innocent or not.

  • WTF?

    Jared, I couldn’t agree more that she would be better off in prison! There are people crazier than her out here in the real world. I don’t think she could be more hated & that makes my heart swell.

  • Lee

    to the author: you are brilliant, as is this article. it reminds of the belief thomas jefferson had, in thinking the general public should not be allowed to select our congress, to which i agree. the general american public is on a rapid decline in every way. today was evidence of that. to the guys defending titmom, those things really mesmerized ya, huh? google casey anthony tattoo. maybe she will let you massage those man shoulders & pop those back zits in exchange for letting you fondle her saggy funbags.

  • Lee

    btw, jared & wtf, give me a break. what planet are you living on? you do realize that our society is immersed in social media & networking, right? hence, they are calling case of the social media century. this baby killer, will sell the rights to a movie or movies, books, & licensing for everything attached to her name & caylee’s, eg. interviews, photos, videos, appearances, etc. not only will she be set free for time served, but she will be set for life if she doesn’t blow through all ‘her winnings’. i’m sure she will have a bit of security upon release as well. look at oj, has his life been so tough, (up until another arrest)? wake up. this is insult upon injury/death.

  • JustaThought

    Jessica, thank you for this article. I actually feel grief stricken that we live in a world where child murderers go free because of naive and inexperienced jurors- or worse yet, people who are sick enough to accept Baez version of reality. No justice was done here. A precious baby girl is dead. Everyone’s life that touched Casey Anthony’s life has been scorched and burned. And she walks away. If she was innocent and had a heart or a soul, she would have declined to party with her defense team out of respect for her daughter.

  • Christy

    The jurors had enough info to make a sensible decision. I just can’t respect their decision. Our system has issues. Today is proof of this.

  • http://jareds1kdailies.wordpress.com Jared

    Lee…

    You have some serious issues. Considering the fact that no one here is “defending” titmom as you put it, but you’re sitting here acting as though anyone is, you either can’t read or think you have something interesting to say when you don’t. Either way, it’s a little ridiculous. In fact, everyone here (even people not flying off the handle about the verdict) is saying they think she did it. So you are really just being ridiculous, Mr./Mrs. Ridiculouspants.

    Also, that comment you made about the “age of social netowrking” is totally true. It’s just like how OJ Simpson is a total millionaire now after murdering his wife and her lover. Seeing how great OJ Simpson is doing right now makes me feel stupid that I didn’t see what a cashcow this woman is riding on. How could I have been so blind? It seems like you can’t walk down the street without tripping over ten murderers who became international superstars after getting off scott-free. Especially a woman who murdered her baby, put it in a garbage-bag, drove around with it in the trunk, and then buried it in the woods. I figure since OJ is doing so great now then this woman will be a billionaire going to the Oscars in no time.

    In case you can’t tell, that is sardonicism. I’m being sardonic. I figure as long as you’re being a dipshit I’m allowed to be sardonic. It’s only fair.

  • Bob

    You’re absolutely right. The one and only time I served on a jury I was pressured by the other jurors to free a guy that was accused of pimping and pandering at a strip joint (he was a bouncer). He said he was doing an investigation! The other jurors clearly disagreed with laws against prostitution. I was a weak 18 year old kid at the time.

  • Crystal

    I completely agree with you Jessica, especially on points 2 and 3. I was a juror in Howard county, MD, one of the wealthiest and educated counties in the entire U.S. and I was the lone hold-out on an armed robbery jury. The people in my jury wouldn’t convict the guy unless there was a video camera of him committing the hold-up. The guy later pled out and served jail time and I felt vindicated. I was thinking, “If this can happen in a highly-educated area of the country, this is happening everywhere.” I completely lost all respect for the American jury system.

  • JustaThought

    The more I hear about this, the more I think that the only reason for this verdict is that the jurors lacked the intelligence and common sense required to process the case. Maybe they were utterly incapable of understanding a mind as depraved as Casey Anthony’s. The jurors were sucked in by the slimy, illogical, preposterous, defense arguments simply because they were loud, and delivered by a bully. I personally believe that these particular jurors were incapable of independent thought….but it is even more scary to think that some of them may have been intimidated by other jurors who had similar personalities to the defense.

  • Cat

    I also thought that we should have professional jurors. The reasons for this outweigh the reasons not to. This jury went down the rabbit hole, just as AShton warned them not to fall for the defensese fantastic story that seemed to defy all reason. I am ashamed of the jury and feel that if we take a close and honest look, they were uneducated enough to not be able to understand the newest technology terms and forensics that were especially needed in this case. Professional jurors is the most honest and logical way for our judicial system to make sure murders remain behind bars.

  • Darby Sanders

    Jared
    Couldn’t agree more. Sent email to news station saying the same thing. Time to take emotionalism, religion, and whatever else brought about the not guilty verdict and replace it with the knowledge, expertise, experience and, grounded in logic, common sense that professional jurors would posess. Many Jurors are clearly over their heads on trials, I can only hope that the failure of justice yesterday will lead to professional jurors in this country so that the list of freed liars, and murders stops and in it’s place is a new list of individuals where justice was served.
    Even if Caylee drowned why wouldn’t any mother want to provide an honorable burial, funeral, honest grieving? I agree also with who makes an accident look like murder, it’s always the other way around.

  • http://jareds1kdailies.wordpress.com Jared

    For the people talking about the “professional jurors”, please consider this: who do you think would be hiring these “professional jurors”? The state would be hiring them. If you are accused of something that you didn’t do by the state, do you want jurors that get their paycheck from your accuser to be the ones deciding your fate? The system that we have is set up to keep people out of jail, not put them in there. If the jury feels that there is a reasonable doubt left (ie: they can’t say 100% positively that the prosecution put it’s case across), then they are legally bound to let the defendant go. While this woman is probably guilty as sin, you need to realize that this is the same system that protects you from citizens and the state launching unwarranted investigations and accusations at you. This is one example of how this system can be manipulated. But any system in the world can be manipulated, especially if we design it.

    I think this could result in something negative because of all the emotion flying around about this. The truth is that this woman is probably guilty and is not going to pay for her crime (in prison at least). However, you’re mad about this because the only time the news or anyone else cares about a defendant being let go is in cases where the system “fails”. There are 50x’s more innocent people saved from unlawful incarceration due to this system every year than guilty people who are set free. It’s not perfect. But I’d rather live in a country that lets an occasional Casey Anthony go free than live in one that allows the state to accuse and convict anyone they want just because they want to.

  • marti

    Must admit I’m totally astonished by the verdict. My guess is the jury was comprised of more followers than leaders. To not even ask for evidence and take the matter seriously is unbelievable. There was obviously a strong leader(s) who took the interpretation of beyond a reasonable doubt and convinced a group of followers he/she knew what it meant.

    When Casey commits another crime, and she will, this jury should be held accountable. Casey believes she’s above the law and now they gave her even more power.

  • http://jareds1kdailies.wordpress.com Jared

    Also, people need to cut it with the talking about how hot this woman is. I’ve looked through the photobucket pictures and seen pictures of her in court. She is physically attractive but hell you can find women hotter than her at any Chili’s in the country after six. “The jury didn’t want to send such an attractive woman to jail”? Give me a break. Being a baby killer, she’s a -5. But even if she wasn’t, she’d still be a 6. Maybe a 7 if I was really drunk. Get over the bullshit over this “attractive” bullshit. She’s not Megan Fox for Christ’s sake.

  • Charles

    The CSI theory is implausible. The jury did not care one bit concerning the evidence, and as far as I know, never even asked to see the evidence. The jury would have acquitted no matter how damaging the evidence. That means the jury has no issue with mother’s killing children and throwing them away like garbage, in my opinion. At least the jury could have convicted her of childhood negligence. I guess partying in Florida has more value then the life of a child. Our legal system is broken. Better yet, our legal system is protecting criminals and those who murder children. Legal does not equal justice.

  • luckysmom

    Anyone else think the jurors are receiving death threats? Obviously violence isn’t going to make any of these jurors wise up, but I really want to slap all of them anyway. I think they were just a bunch of lazy slobs that didn’t want to do the work it takes to work through so much information. They were so desperate to go back their lives of denial, and stupidity they didnt give a crap about that little girl. There’s enough proof to say someone from the anthony house killed her, and since casey was the last one to see her alive, then lied about it-seems to me that’s nuff evidence to convict her.

  • http://www.imperfectparent.com Jessica

    I think it is very telling that the jurors want to remain anonymous. If they were so proud of their decision, why hide their identity. Furthermore, there are unconfirmed reports that one juror is asking for a six figure payoff to tell his story and out his identity. This should be illegal! How disgusting is that??

    Furthermore, the one juror who has come out said that the prosecution failed to make their case beyond a reasonable doubt. “Reasonable doubt” in the legal sense means reason within the realm of common sense. It DOES NOT mean absolute certainty. Having said that, how moronic do you have to be to not ‘get’ that??

    And yes, I watched 99% of the proceedings, so I think I heard what the jury heard.

  • http://jareds1kdailies.wordpress.com Jared

    From my friend the copyright lawyer:

    Reasonable doubt is not a 100% conviction on the part of the jury in regard to the innocence or guilt of the defendant. Rather, it is the lack of absolute certainty in the merit of the prosecutions arguments. Reasonable doubt regarding a persons guilt in any criminal trial already exists by default, and it’s up to the prosecution to present evidence that eliminates that reasonable doubt of guilt and goes beyond to show that there is no reasonable doubt of guilt.

    While he’s not a state prosecutor, he knows more about law than I probably ever will. Also what I’ll say is that what “we” saw on the television here is much more information than the jury was probably given access to. All the other stuff completely unrelated to the case itself that we hear on the news and from pundits does greatly intensify our opinions. Again, I’m not defending this woman. I’m just not going to burn effigies of the jurors in the street because I disagree with their verdict. There is already reasonable doubt of guilt, and the presumption of innocence with any criminal trial. Seriously, consider the difference in what we’ve heard compared to what they’ve heard. They only have the case to go off of. We have round the clock news coverage, investigative reporters showing us information that would never be admissible in court, and pundits screaming about it on all sides. I don’t agree or disagree with their decision, I’m just not going to assume that 12 grown people sat through that whole thing and decided to let a baby killer free so they could make money off of it. If it turns out that they did, then I’m with you– lock them in a cage and throw the cage in the ocean.

    Also, if I was on a jury that reached an extremely controversial verdict in a high profile case then I wouldn’t want my identity out there either. This doesn’t mean I made the wrong choice. It just means there are a lot of fucking horrifying people out there who will make your life miserable for not seeing things the way they do, and juries shouldn’t be bullied into making decisions on the assumption that they’ll be retaliated against if they go one way or another. As for the juror who wants to make money off of his/her service then I hope he gets hit by a car.

  • http://www.imperfectparent.com Jessica

    Jared, I have no idea where your lawyer friend got his law credentials but his definition is scary. My sister is currently in law school and ‘reasonable doubt’ is in NO WAY to be interpreted as “Rather, it is the lack of absolute certainty in the merit of the prosecutions arguments.”

    While I agree that it is only one of many determining factors, I would challenge any credible lawyer to agree that it is part of “absolute certainty”. That is total ill-information and just another reason why we need professional jurors.

    From the American Bar Association, who I think we can all agree has a grasp on “reasonable doubt”:

    Reasonable doubt is a fair, honest doubt growing out of the evidence or lack of evidence. It is not merely an imaginary or possible doubt, but a doubt based on reason and common sense. A reasonable doubt is just that – a doubt that is reasonable after careful and considered examination of the facts and circumstances in the case.

    So, see, how scary is that? You could have been on that jury and thought there needed to be certainty. Nothing in life is certain. Even with DNA evidence. In philosophy, we learn anything conceivable is real. So, while at home sleeping, your car could have been beamed up and worked over by aliens. You will never know, but is that logical? Does is root itself in common sense?

    Most experts have said that with Anthony’s case, for as long as it went on and the amount of evidence presented and witnesses etc., the jurors could not have possibly re-examined in detail the facts of the case. They wanted to go home and decided long before the trial was over that CA was innocent for whatever reasons. Just because they declared her ‘not guilty’, doesn’t mean that she is. It just means we had an incompetent jury.

    Furthermore, there has been talk of “secret juries” violating the First Amendment. The public has a right to know so that they can verify that the jury was impartial. The jury is supposed to represent the opinions of the masses as well, so I find this totally unconstitutional. There are whackos everywhere. This jury is letting one go free. They made their decision, they’ll have to live with it. No reasonable person is condoning violence against the jurors but it’s the public’s right to know. To me, that’s more scary that professional jurors. For secret jurors could be the defendants cousin in some political back office deal. It needs to be transparent.

  • Suzette Garner

    There are some very good replies on here. Jared, I think you offer some good assessments even though I agree that the jury dropped the ball and should have at least given her aggravated child abuse. But all that has been said. What I want to comment on is the article. The author made some really good points, and I, too, used to think we should have Professional jurors. However, there are so many problems with a system like that. First, there’s the problem that Jared pointed out about who’s paying the bill. Another factor is that it might be very difficult to keep from having people who are not targeted by special interests (in that case, I suppose we could have them be sort of like C.I.A. agents, narcs, or Airm Marshalls–undercover and/or behind a screen where neither the accused or accuser could see them. But it would be entirely necessary. I mean, talk about a dangerous job. O.k., so that could possibly be solved. However, what about the complex notion of your job holding such sway over every trial. Maybe several a month. Now, this might could be allayed some if we did away completely with the death penalty. The wisdom of having a bunch of well-educated, learned people decide fate really makes sense to some degree; but the idea is also rampant with potential problems.

  • http://jareds1kdailies.wordpress.com Jared

    I have reread what he said and what I wrote, and I fail to see how anything that you wrote is different than what I wrote except worded differently. In fact, he stated explicitly that it is not a absolute certainty of guilt or innocence, but a lack of confidence in the merits of the prosecution’s argument. While your argument would hold more water if “reasonable doubt” was the only aspect of assessing a persons guilt, the fact remains that there are other things working into that other than simply reasonable doubt. The major one is called presumption of innocence. While “presumption of innocence” for the accused is not explicitly mandated by the constitution, there are a number of amendments to the constitution that have been used to enforce this presumption of innocence. So a person goes into court as an innocent person, irregardless of their crime, and that is the starting point that the jury comes from. It’s up to the prosecution to remove any reasonable doubt to the defendant’s guilt. When he referred to “absolute certainty” of the merits of the prosecution’s argument, I’m pretty sure he was referencing more a sense of certainty on the part of the jury that they are being presented with a viable argument that shows the defendant in a guilty light– not necessarily a certainty of guilt. While we lay people use the word “certainty” to mean different things than lawyers do, most of us make decisions in our lives based off of the certainty we feel with the information we have. I’m not going to speak for him anymore.

    And, seriously, will you people stop acting like I’m defending this woman or saying I don’t think she’s guilty? I’ve said numerous times that I’m fairly certain of her guilt. And never once did I say there needed to be absolute certainty of her guilt, and neither did anyone else. So no, I wouldn’t have gone into a jury thinking I needed the be absolutely certain of someone’s guilt– just a personal certainty in the merits of the prosecution’s characterizations of the defendant and the evidence presented. Sure, just because a jury says she’s innocent doesn’t mean that she’s innocent. And just because someone in a suit tells you something happened doesn’t mean it happened.

    In the end, the big reason why I take issue with this is because I know people who have been brutally raped by repeat offenders that still walk the street. They see them sometimes on a daily basis. I’ve read account after account of repeat, violent offenders getting off on murder charges, rape charges, and a whole mess of other stuff because of shit just like this. But no one ever cares this much about those guys. The problem I have is that it seems like everyone here is not mad because something horrible happened– they’re mad because their side didn’t win. And yes, I find that a little fucked up.

    I personally hope we never have “professional” jurors. When you make something a profession, you create a system that places money, advancement, and politics above the benefit of the people. Look at medicine as an example. Maybe I’m wrong, and I admit that I’m not the smartest person in the world. However, I do genuinely have a hard time believing that 12 adult human beings heard a story about the brutal murder of a child who was dumped in the woods like garbage, and figured “Fuck it CSI Miami’s on tonight: Not Guilty!”. It would have taken just as long to say “fuck it, CSI Miami’s on tonight: GUILTY!”. I have a hard time believing they could find 12 people that soulless, who could live with themselves after that. That’s all.

  • Jennifer Pruitt

    those jurors did not follow instructions, nor did they use an ounce of common sense, I agree with all of those explanations in the article as to why this child killer got away with it. She let animals eat her heart, then her liver until they were chewing her bones, the whole time screwing her bf. those jurors are idoits

  • Sam

    Great article, Jessica. You hit the nail on the head!

  • melissa williams

    Casey Anthony will have plenty of time in HELL, believe that. Look at OJ, yep he walked on his 2 murders, but today he is in PRISON. Casey will get her time in HELL.

  • Josie

    Hey Bill, some people don’t want to criticize the jury, but I have no qualms about telling the truth. They’re a bunch of idiots. These room-temperature IQers are perfect examples of people who have been drinking sodium fluoride water (that will decrease your IQ up to 25% after drinking it for a couple decades), and now don’t have the brains they were born with. (It is said that 50% of Americans are now right about the level of retardation due to that and the total cocktail of chemicals we have been inhaling, injesting, and absorbing for decades.) And this is what it looks like.

    These jurors can’t even comprehend the difference between a reasonable doubt and a shadow of a doubt. They don’t understand plain english.

    I think all jurors should be required to take an IQ test before serving on a jury. God I’d hate to be judged by a bunch of morons!

  • Darby Sanders

    After all the stated pro’s and con’s for professional jurors, I would like to believe that integrity and ethics would become part of a code of conduct that would be in the “job description”. After all when you are paying $5/day for juror, how quickly the novelty can wear off.
    Guess we will all steel ourselves to watch tomorrow as the sentencing is handed down. According to the majority of comments I think we will all agree that the punishment will not equate the crime.
    I do think it was strategic placement that CA and defense sat facing the jury on the side of the court room instead of next to the prosecution facing the judge as always seen before. In the end, it wasn’t the prosecutions “laugh” that lost this case it was solely the lack of a competent jury.

  • http://jareds1kdailies.wordpress.com Jared

    The day you inject payment into a social service is the day it becomes irrevocably fucked. That’s all, and I’m done with this thread now.

  • Alex

    Question: How many members of the Casey Anthony jury does it take to change a light bulb???

    Answer: All twelve. But first you have to prove to them beyond a doubt that the light bulb exists.

    ;)

  • lynn

    evidence can be circumstancial…borrowing the shovel, a hair from baby in the trunk( most likely fell of casey(it got on her when she taped and bagged her baby) The horrible smell of death in the car..and 30 days of lying to her parents about Caleys whereabouts…and for goodness sake the frantic phone call her mom made……they even had the murder weapon…..what was the jury thinking….why would one put duct tape on an accidental death of a baby…………….CONNECT the damn Dots……circumstancial evidence….its not a csi show…you wont get a video of the murder.

  • Light Fang

    I don’t understand how this jury couldn’t have convicted her. I mean wtf. You have all the facts in front of you pointing to her guilt beyond ANY doubt whatsoever but then you refuse to convict? I think we should be talking about putting all 12 of those jurors on trial for aiding and abetting a murderer.

  • Kenneth

    1) Did the jurors make a mistake. On the murder charge that can be argued due to circumstantial evidence and the beyond a reasonable doubt standard. On the child abuse charge the jury flat our failed in every way possible.
    2) The idea of a proffesional jury though tempting for many reasons is one that is best left as an academic exercise in either paralegal studies, criminal justice, political science, and for law school.

  • Kenneth

    The idea of proffesional juries is best left as an academic excersice for people majoring in criminal justice, political science, paralegal studies, or attending law school.
    1) One of the Founding Fathers once said that on the need for juries “On the need to maintaining a government of the people the need for a trial by jury is more important than the right to vote.”
    2) Of all the devices yet created by men nothing so far comes close to safeguarding the rights of the people as a trial by jury.
    3) If we come up with a proffesional jury system the jurors are not going to come from the population at large but they are going to be government employees. In criminal cases it always the defendent V. the state (AKA the government)
    4) It would most likely require a Constitutional Amendment due to current understanding of the 6th Amendment to the US Constitution.
    5) A proffesional jury is going to be expensive. With many counties, laying off police officers, firefighters, and teachers where is the money for a proffesional jury going to come from?

  • Layla

    ‘Reasonable’ is the most vague and subjective word. It is only effective when a person has the ability to reason. And it’s not beyond ALL doubt, or beyond a shadow of a doubt..But beyond a REASONABLE doubt.. A distinction that has baffled and confused the below average juror and set countless ‘bad guys’ free. I agree with this article…professional jurors are the only way to set a bar on things like intelligence, ability to reason, problem solve, understanding of the law, and common sense. To people who say the state did not prove there case I say…what did you need? A DVD of the murder? A CSI music montage reenact how every detail played out? Or the juror says ‘well…no one can say HOW she was murdered.’ I saw the same case the jurors did. I have followed this case for 3 years. I’m a true crime aficionado and have followed and read books on 100′s of cases. This prosecution was faultless. Their closing reiterated their case. They went item by item through the forensics, motive, background and execution of the crime. The prosecution perfectly deconstructed the defense’s position. What did this jury hear? Reading comments on boards in support of this verdict actually make me feel worried for the society I live in. I’ve seen cases where people were convicted on just a single tooth found in a pile of ashes, cases with NO body at all. These jurors could mot grasp the concepts of the law or the crime, or the actual weight of circumstantial evidence. People think it means ‘flimsy’ evidence, when nothing could be further from the truth. If there is a man locked in a room that no one else can get in or out of with; a glove, a smoking gun, and a dead man laying on the floor with a bullet hole in his head…even though it is 100% certain the man killed the dead man–that would be circumstantial. Someone could say…well…we didn’t SEE him shoot the man, and maybe he wore the glove so there was no fingerprint on the gun. A weak minded person could find it ‘reasonable’ to believe that someone other than the man did the crime. It’s this twist and suspension of common sense that turns my stomach. I am completely demoralized by all of this. Poor Caylee.

  • Josie

    These room temperature IQer jurors have been watching CSI for WAAAYYY TOO LONG!

  • Lee

    jared, i am disturbed? yet you admitted you didn’t even watch this trial and you have half page posts at a time ARGUING with people who watched the entire trial. you shouldn’t even have an opinion on this trial. once you stated you didn’t watch it, i stopped read & taking anything you had to say about it, seriously.

  • Charles

    Lying to jurists to create “reasonable doubt”, in my opinion, is a crime in itself. How can the defensive attorney Jose Baez have said Caylee Anthony drowned in a pool accident? In fact, the medical examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia stated her death was a homicide. Caylee was on trial for murder. Could Jeff Ashton have demanded a mistrial for Baez stating Caylee died in an accidental drowning? According to one jurist on the jury there was belief that Caylee died from an accident. Baez opening statement must have kept the jurist from making a reasonable assessment of the murder evidence.

  • Rob

    It’s funny how most of the people here calling the jury incompetent appear to be ignorant themselves.

    This article is complete nonsense written by someone who doesn’t understand how the law works. If we had ‘professional jurors’, they would have come to the same conclusion; there simply wasn’t enough physical evidence to say with 100% certainty exactly what happened.

    Now I’m sure each member of the jury KNEW Casey Anthony was involved in her daughter’s death, but you have to be able to explain what happened and support your claim with physical evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt. If there’s any possibility that she didn’t do it, you can’t come back with a guilty verdict. You can’t “connect the dots” as Lynn says, and jump to a conclusion if there are other explanations.

    And I love the ones who say “I followed the TV proceedings, I heard everything they heard”…give me a break, Perry Mason. You weren’t in on their deliberations. Funny how every time something like this happens (Rodney King/OJ/Michael Jackson), all the couch-potato wannabe attorneys come out claiming they just happened to pick 12 incompetent jurors, and if YOU had been on the jury, the verdict would be different.

    The best are the morons who say the jury should be held accountable for murder. When you say stuff like that, it shows you have no intelligence; your comments make it easier for people to disregard your opinions.

    Oh and the genius who says it’s ‘telling’ that the jurors don’t want to talk to the media…um, maybe because ignorant sheep like you want them killed, and they fear for their lives?

  • Layla

    Rob…I hope you are on a jury of my peers if I ever decide to murder anyone. Or any of the 12 jurors on this case.

  • Calen

    This idea is so incredibly stupid. Not to mention un-Constitutional.

  • Rick

    This just in. There’s been a new development in the Casey Anthony trial. Apparently all 12 of the jurors have been arrested!!!!

    Shocking. The charge?????

    Impersonating a jury.

    LOL.

  • Josie

    Rob, are you one of the jurors….because you’re just as stupid as one of them.

    How do you think defendants were convicted of murder BEFORE WE HAD video tapes, DNA, or forensics? Yes, they convicted the guilty by using their BRAINS (something these jurors were lacking, OBVIOUSLY) to CONNECT THE DOTS between pieces of CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence. Yes, hear it again: CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE!!!! This means there was often no concrete evidence like video tapes, a witness who saw it, fingerprints, dna, or anything else to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. But the standard is and was, beyond a REASONABLE doubt.

    While is is POSSIBLE to doubt that Casey killed Caylee even with the evidence of the smell of the dead body in her car, the chloroform in the car, the hair in the trunk, the body dumped in the same place as Casey used to bury her pets when she was a child, the duct tape placed over Caylee’s face (the duct tape from the Anthony household) the heart on the duct tape (same marking as Casey put on her pets when she buried them), etc. etc., it is NOT REASONABLE to doubt that Casey killed Caylee. AGAIN ….IT IS NOT REASONABLE TO DOUBT THAT CASEY KILLED CAYLEE WITH THAT AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE TO CONNECT….IT IS PLAIN, FLAT OUT S-T-U-P-I-D. The case was proved beyond a REASONABLE doubt simply by the stating of the known evidence. You IDIOTS get that (jurors and other mental light-weights) !!?? Did you ever play CONNECT THE DOTS when you were a kid? Perhaps you were pathetic at it.

  • Dylan

    I wanted to think that there was something from the trial unknown to me that convinced the jury to believe Casey is innocent. Although, after viewing the interview of juror #4, Jennifer Ford, on Fox tonight I believe she is an incompetent woman not capable of looking beyond physical evidence. Due to her belief that physical evidence is the only irrefutable proof of an instance she was not capable of considering the appalling and damning behavior of the defendent. If the rest of the jury held the same idiotic understanding justice then it is no wonder Casey is going free.

  • Chris

    I just want to say thank you for this very articulate and sensible post. I wish had more people with brains like you.

  • JustaThought

    This was clearly a jury of idiots. End of story. The prosecution did it’s job. There was plenty of evidence to convict Just a gutless -if not hopelessly stupid- jury. Someone should have explained to this jury that “circumstantial” evidence is still VALID evidence. And “beyond a reasonable doubt” does not mean you must be AT the scene of the crime AND witness it being committed -in order to convict. This jury and Mr J.B. should be sentenced to having Casey babysit their own precious children for extended periods of time. Then we’ll see who REALLY stands by their own stupidity.

  • Joseph

    You know, what bothers me the most about the Juror’s? They based their decision partly upon a theoretically unproven circumstance. Jennifer Ford inferred that she believed it was possible Casey drowned, and that it was an accident. THIS IS AN UNPROVEN THEORY, and you CANNOT use unproven theories as “reasonable doubt”. At first I respected the decision of the Juror’s. But in all honesty, the two alternates were even more naive. The 2nd alternate who came forward shocked me when he compared the cover-ups (lies) of Casey during the days of her missing daughter as though her lies were typical to their entire families patterns of behavior. How silly is that? We’re not talking about a woman who lied to her parents about working at universal studios so she could go out and party! We’re talking about a liar who murdered her daughter AND THEN went on her “beautiful life” of alcoholic escapades! As tradition has it, those who lie have something to hide. Did the Juror’s miss what Caley was trying to hide? Did the Jurors, treating her lies while Caley was missing, believe that this was simply a typical pattern of behavior among the Anthony’s? It’s ridiculous! Her lies weren’t just lies! Her lies were an obstruction of Justice; she led the investigator’s on a wild good chase, knowing that “TIMER-55″ was her entire intent! She was happy that her daughter was gone, and showed no remorse at all! Jennifer Ford, I initial defended you, but you made a terrible mistake. Lying to parents to stay out late is one thing. But lying to Parents AND the authorities WHILE your daughter is missing IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THING! This is called OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!

  • Joseph

    Rob wrote,

    ” but you have to be able to explain what happened and support your claim with physical evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt…”

    Not true Rob. Physical Evidence is not the only requirement for a conviction. Circumstantial evidence has been used in past convictions. Did everyone forget the photo of little Caley’s skull? She had duct tape on her skull, serving as a fastener to keep her lower jaw supported to the skull. THAT is an indication of obvious fowl play. Now you can “speculate” that someone else applied the duct tape to make it look like murder. But without evidence to support this theory, it cannot be used a “reasonable doubt”. The Jurors believed that, theoretically based on Baez’s theory, that Caley drowned. Now there was the possibility of Caley drowning because of comments made about Cindy’s insecurity or strange feeling that someone swam in her pool. But this was not proven. And you’ve got to take into account that Casey was the last one to be with Caley. When Caley left her house to go to Tom’s house, she had Caley with her (we assume) when she left; this was proven in court if I’m not mistaken. But when she got to Tom’s house, Caley was not with her. She told Tom that Caley was with a Nanny, whom we later find out to be “Zanny”. This was proven to be a lie; thus her pending lawsuit since her “NOT GUILTY” verdict. Therefore, because she lied to her boyfriend about Caley’s whereabouts, AND because she was the last one to be with Caley, and the fact that she continued to lie even afterwards (to her parents and authorities), the whole “reasonable doubt” scenario based on the possibility of Caley drowning the Jurors clung to is absurd and baseless. The evidence available to the Prosecution strongly supported fowl play, and the only one convicted of fowl play was Casey Anthony, who obstructed justice with her lies, and changed her story at least three plus times.

  • Sharon

    For Rob,

    You need to goggle “Scott Peterson.”

  • Rita

    We need professional jurors. If the Casey Anthony verdict is not a reason I don’t know what is. They had their minds made up when they went into the jury room. They took a short time, didn’t reflect or ask any questions. They didn’t ask to look at any of the evidence. They didn’t understand that circumstantial evidence is as good as any evidence and that reasonable doubt doesn’t mean not having any doubts at all. Let’s have professionals who understand the law and the facts. The system in this country is becoming a laughing stock..OJ, Casy, many more. A disgrace.

  • Disgusted

    What can any thinking person say at this point? Casey is a murderer and even a 10 year old child could put the pieces together. Regardless of any protestations they put forth about how they were “sick to their stomachs” to vote not guilty, these jurors are guilty of criminal stupidity. Period. I’d love to see each sent to prison indefinitely for stupidity, after that I don’t care what happens to them.

    The jury comprised people that said things like “only god can judge”, and obviously didn’t have a clear understanding that it was their job to not only listen to the arguments, but reach a conclusion based on those arguments, and ultimately judge the defendant. It was a circumstantial case with no smoking gun, no video of Casey knocking her daughter out with chloroform and dumping her in the trunk before going to a bar looking for someone to screw, and no eye witnesses to her dumping the body in the swamp late at night. That was clear to most, yet these morons were wholly incapable of grasping that simple fact.

    Americans are ignorant, stupid, and the problem gets worse every decade. Morons out breed those with normal IQs, producing hordes of stupid people that can’t reason, understand complex arguments or ideas, and they’ve finally reached critical mass. Ignorance isn’t just bliss, stupidity isn’t just cool, instead they’re badges of honor to be shown to the world. One has to look no further than the reality TV shows that pass for entertainment these days to know the country is doomed.

    This wasn’t a 40-minute episode of CSI where they wrap it up with incontrovertible proof before the next commercial you morons, this was a real life taken by a real sociopath; a sociopath that that you just put back on the street instead of in a cell waiting for a needle.

    We don’t need professional jurors, we need a simple IQ test, and standing rule that any religious nuts that can’t judge should be barred from admission. Can’t think? Go home…. Morons…

  • Jude

    After seeing two of the jurors on television and hearing their comments, I understand why this verdict was wrongfully reached.
    I have a nine year old grandson who has more reasoning skills. The fact that Casey seemed to be enjoying her child in photo’s, and no friends said she was a bad mother, was one jurors reason for letting her go free. Given the fact that Casey is a pathological liar, tells me that her actions in public can also be a lie. Im sure she knew how to ham it up for the camera. This woman will have movie deals, book deals, and get paid for interviews. She will now feel that her lies, and abuse and death of a child were well worth it. She can party, have sex and feel like a movie star because of the media attention.
    I hope these jurors have trouble sleeping at night and I hope Caylee haunts their dreams.

  • Therealist

    If anyone in the jury took the time to read (also anyone in the public who doesnt understand ) what circumstantial evidence is s as well as apply common sense to the evidence and hell maybe even LOOK at one of the almost 400 pieces of we could have a diff outcome. They were tired ans clearly ready to go. if they had been listening the prosecution is not required to provide a cause of death. A circumstantial evidence case is based on inferencing as well as evidence. In short I agree with this article. The common folk are just that too common with no sense and they didn’t follow the rules of the law when coming to this “verdict”

  • Charles

    There needs to be laws that regulate attorneys who make up facts (lies) to create reasonable doubt or any excuse for acquittal. This jury was hook line and sinker day one in the grips of Jose Baez. I am sure Casey Anthony fed the belief that Caylee Anthony drowned in the pool and Baez ran with this theory in the courtroom. The jury then believed an event (the drowning) without any evidence over the evidences given them during the trial that Caylee was murdered. I also believe that jurists need to be required to look at the evidence. I have no idea what took place in the jury deliberations, but apparently, certain jurists got “convinced” by other jurists Casey was not guilty. There needs to be jury reform in this country.

  • Rachel

    I am absolutely horrified and sickened by this verdict of “not guilty.” Not guilty? Are you KIDDING me? How and why this woman who pranced around in make-up and nightclubs getting tattoos and livin’ it up without so much as a word uttered as to the whereabouts of her daughter leaves me aghast. Is it possible that these people are just that naive, and our judicial system is really, clearly that flawed? Casey got off on a technicality. Who could possibly believe this woman is innocent? Not me- not by a long shot. There was recently a woman in the northeast who was convicted of manslaughter with a maximum of 40 years in prison for finding her toddler dead in 90 degree heat in the family car when the child slipped away from her view for only a few minutes. This woman was DEVASTATED. How is Casey’s verdict fair compared to this heartbroken’s mothers who is being severely punished for an accident? Casey is SMUG and VINDICTIVE. Sadistically, sardonically smiling. “I got away with it. Party time b*tches.” Makes me want to vomit. THIS IS NOT JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE.

  • Carrie

    Agree 100% that this country needs a professional jury system and has for quite some time. We are already hearing how the Casey Anthony jury was ignorant of the law and didn’t understand the forensic evidence.

  • Ali Halvey

    Well said – But missing a few things- One juror did not even get past the 11th grade – one said they would not past judgement – another had a cruise to go on. Not to mention they did not follow the law which says you must look at the evidence only. Well 3 jurors have spoken and all of them decided this on the complete opposite. Plus no notes in court, one twiddeling her pen during evidence. Bunch of complete idiots that all should be taped and gaged, blue in the face, thrown in a garbage bag like the poor little girl.
    What idiots–I hope their lives are ruined but typical morons don’t know what that would mean anyway…

  • Kim Starr

    I think we should also go to a prof type jury system or even a panel of judges. I also think it should be illegal in an court of law to just smear people names without any evidence.

  • Kim Starr

    You know I feel the same way, one of them said there was no evidence of a crime.WHAT!!!

  • Kim Starr

    This is for Disgusted. My husband and I had this very same conversation. I know afer 60 yr I have met more people that are not a jury of my piers than ones that are.

  • Kim Starr

    I think alot of people have lost their minds. Who would put themselves through this if it were an accident? And for the men that don’t understand being a mom, we throw ourselves in front of trains for our kids.What about the juror who said she was a good mom, because her 20 yr old friends said so. WHOA come on now

  • Josie

    This entire country is going to hell in a handbasket, and it’s going to get a lot worse. This is the effect of reduction of IQs of millions of people who have been drinking a cocktail of chemicals in their water called “sodium fluoride” for the past 40 years. It reduces your IQ up to 25%. So you take someone with an average IQ of 100 – 110, and after a 25% reduction, they can no longer use their brain for reasoning, and they function literally at or close to the IQ of a retarded person, 75 – 80. Bad news folks, and they are voting too keep in mind. They affect each one of our lives, DIRECTLY!

  • Beth

    I am so happy you put this on here. You couldnt be more right..

    Yes the jury was a bunch of idiots who let a killer go free..

    I hate to sound like a harsh bitch but I feel very strongly that the jury is responsible for -No Justice-.. They themselves might as well of implicated themselves as to the death of that little girl.. And why I say that is, they could of got her on a lesser murder charge and didnt.. Why?? They let a killer go free after hearing and seeing in court all the evidence and whats worse..

    They Didnt Even Ask To See Anything In The Deliberation Room.. Whats up with that??

    Could it be, that they could of been in it only for the money???

    Someone answer me that..

    The jury by what they have said in the media and with their verdict, are saying that its ok to kill your child, just so long as the child isnt found for months on end..

    How messed up is that!

    Irregardless of the lack of evidence in the case.. The prosecution had evidence as to the monster herself that showed that she killed her child..

    I like many others am outraged by the verdict.. I wish that monster nothing but misery..

    I also hope that the jury in their personal lives sees what a fatal mistake they made and suffer some degree for no justice for that little girl..

  • Josie

    Casey was jealous of Caylee. Too bad the prosecution didn’t put that evidence on the stand. The woman from Texas Equusearch who spent a lot of time with Casey when they were looking for Caylee said that Casey would stick a heart sticker on her knee, and then later stick one on her other knee. (She said numerous times that Casey was “childlike”. I call it “childish” not “childlike” when she should be a mature woman. When she was looking at an album of Caylee, Casey came up with an album of herself when she was a child and put it on top of the one of Caylee and said Here, look at this one.

    Then you have Casey’s mother who was showing Caylee so much loving attention and telling Casey she was a bad mother. Then you have Tony and his roommate and their running joke that they liked having Caylee over to the apartment more than Casey. Casey just decided she was going to get rid of her competition.

  • http://caseyanthony emily

    I will try again!!!!!!!!!! I can’t figure out how to post something on this blog. Please forgive me. I have been trying and trying. What do all those codes mean above?????

  • http://caseyanthony emily

    Yeah!!!! I figured it out after a B-zillion times of trying. I see my post now.
    So, now I can finally say what I feel I need to say about Caycee-ass I have been wanting to say….mostly about jurors. I hope they READ these posts. Lesson in life for them.
    First of all, I am in agreement that the jurors, in this case, are quite biased and ignorant. I believe they DID not understand what “reasonable doubt” means. They viewed it as ALL doubt. That is why I think they are idiots. Although, I am sure it was explained to them, the IQ of this bunch is close to 100 or lower…meaning average or lower.
    Second, as far as I know, there were 3-4 jurors that were in jail or involved in some criminal activity….great! Yeah, they are really sll for justice. They seem to be relatives of this incredibly sick family.
    Thirdly, it speaks volumes when one juror stated that he would “talk for the right price”. That makes me almost as sick as Caycee-ass getting off scott free. These jurors spent less hours in deliberation than the O.J case. That also speaks volumes. How stupid can they be? The mother does not report her child missing for 31 days with decompostion in her car? Duh!
    I hope the judge releases their names so they can take their duty a little more seriously than what they did. I have to wonder how the hell can they live with themselves each day with such a cut and dry case and letting this murderer of a sweet sole be set free.
    That is all I have to say for now. I am really venting because I am so angry. I do believe in justice for all. Not for letting criminals go free and make millions off the murder of her child, which WILL happen. Good night to all. Please give up your child if you can’t deal with him/her….please. There are so many people that can love and take care of your child.

  • Joseph

    I hear ya Emily! Well said!

    At first I tried to defend our Juror’s. But after listening to Jennifer Ford, my opinion of them changed. As you stated, they seemed to have taken everything the Prosecution as “doubt”, but everything the Defense said (which had absolutely NO evidence) as opinionated fact. You can’t do that! George may have committed adultery, which ruined his credibility with the Juror’s, but he wasn’t on trial; His daughter was!

    And let’s not forget about Cindy, who committed perjury to protect her daughter. I suppose, as a Parent, I would have done the same thing. It’s possible that George allowed the defense to antagonize him as well, knowing that it would probably create doubt towards the Juror’s; and apparently it worked. Neither George nor Cindy wants their daughter to get the death penalty.

    I hope that Casey is ignored and shunned away from society. That’s the strongest punishment anyone could ever received; abandonment by society. We can’t do anything to her legally, but there’s no law against ignoring someone when she wants attention.

    Joseph from SC

  • wayne

    I am still pisses off about OJ the murderer and now this .just hope she gets hers like OJ finally did —And yes the jurors are a bunch of ignorant wimps

  • wayne

    Sorry for typo meant pissed off

  • Lin

    Shame on those 12 jurors in the Anthony case
    That woman clearly killed her child
    That dear child , Caylee, suffered under the cruel hands of her incompetent Mother, Casey
    Poor dear child , how she suffered
    Casey needs to be in jail fir the rest of her life
    How shocking that the jurors did not do justice
    Suspect a pay off from the defense
    Corrupt jurors
    Shame on you all

  • Lin

    Agree with above!
    We all need to IGNORE Casey Anthony
    Do not buy books/ watch films or any interviews with her
    Ignore the murdering narcissist
    Ignore her
    Shun away from her
    If you see her
    Scream out ….. There’s the murderer
    Be warned!

  • Lin

    If you work with those jurors ignore them
    Do not give them the time of day
    They are poor ignorant souls who did a gross injustice to a poor little 2 year old
    In effect they are also guilty of murder, just like the mother Casey Anthony
    Stay away from those jurors
    Ignore them
    Hopefully their bosses will fire them from their jobs
    Those jurors would be better living on a secluded island, away from the real world
    Shame on you jurors
    Shame . You too killed

  • Devon Woods

    Casey is a foxy babe that I’d marry in a NY minute. Would love to hook up with her for a few weekends of fun and let her hair down.

  • John

    Apparently there was a new interview with the jury foreman today. Here’s an excerpt:

    ——————————————-
    Interviewer: Mr. Foreman, what is 2 + 2??

    Foreman: Well, that all depends on what day of the week it is!

    Interviewer: OK, let’s assume it’s Tuesday.

    Foreman: Oh, well in that case, the answer is 7.

    Interviewer: What is your theory about who killed little Caylee Anthony?

    Foreman: The butler did it.

    Interviewer: Do you think the butler do it alone?

    Foreman: I doubt it. He probably had help from aliens.

    Interviewer: What do you think about…

    Foreman: Sorry, I really have to go now. I’m on my way to go help OJ find the real killers.

  • Jules george

    I watch some jurors while at Newark sup, courts & was shocked at what I witness there where some fiddling on the wall while the defense or state spoke they didn’t understand jury instruction which the judge explained in very easy terms I also noticed that jury’s seem to play follow the leader meaning if they thought a juror was smarter than them they convicted or not on the leaders persuasion I came home very upset & did some research & found duke law school did a 2 year study & found that jury’s were not in most cases capable of rendering the fair verdict many had add which I have myself & it does not mean I’m stupid in my case things some times have to be explained in a different way I’ll be the first to admit when it comes to math as if I were on a tort case I dont understand it as well & in a case like that & I was on a tort case I would just mite have to follow another jurors advice when it came time to figuring put the money awards & what is fair I think this is why we
    See these zillion $ awards sometimes.In this case I feel the jury had allot to work with as far as evidence if only they took the time to look & put it together 1st the dogs 2 dogs same hits Baez also claimed they were led by police as he did everyone else & the hair black band maybe never used but I studied the theory of hair years ago & still do & I was made aware that that is a fact they only see it on a corpse although the don’t no why this happens this is the only time it is seen.3rd the coffin fly if it was 1 leg or quarter of one there should never have been any in the trunk of caseys car & she was. The only one that had control of her car. Oh the crew da cra” Baez being allowed to cause speculation by accusing anyone he felt with nothing to back it up most criminal lawyers will not do this with out any proof what so ever.

  • Joseph

    Journal Entry from Casey’s Diary dated 21 June (no year but Cindy and Baez claimed this entry was made in 2003):

    “I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I just want for everything to work out okay.
    I completely trust my own judgement & know that I made the right decision. I just hope that the end justifies the means.
    I just want to know what the future will hold for me. I guess I will soon see – This is the happiest that I have been in a very long time.
    I hope that my happiness will continue to grow – I’ve made new friends that I really like. I’ve surrounded myself with good people – I am finally happy. Let’s just hope that it doesn’t change.”

    The problem is that according to online sources (whether accurate or not I do not yet know), the particular diary she was writing in was not available until 2004.

    What do you all think?

    Joseph

  • Jeanne

    In short, I think these jurors didn’t understand that circumstantial evidence is still evidence, that direct evidence is rare in most criminal cases that lead to conviction (aka Scott Peterson) and possible doubt, (other possible scenarios concerning a crime aka Caylee drowning, killed by George (are you joking?)etc…) DOES NOT equal reasonable doubt.

  • Lonnie

    Jeesh, get real. The point is… proving 1ST DEGREE MURDER. No one denies the baby is dead. The question remains… by whom, and proving HOW would be nice to know, rather than speculation. Additionally, PROBABLY guilty doesn’t cut it according to the judges instructions. The jury had no choice.

  • Lonnie

    The claim of the anti-juror lynch mob on here, and the anti-Anthony lynch mob here, is that she killed her kid. But I don’t know if anybody killed anybody. That’s the whole point of why the jury voted a “not guilty” verdict. “Not guilty” verdicts do not mean “innocent.” They mean, the jury concluded the prosecution did not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

    What you media sheep can’t comprehend is that just maybe no murder happened and just maybe it was as the defense lawyer suggested a terrible accident gone horribly wrong. I’m not saying Anthony is not disturbed. I think her behavior apparently after the death of her child shows she is disturbed. But being disturbed and being a murderer are 2 different things, and being disturbed didn’t mean she murdered her kid. I don’t know if she did or didn’t. But neither does ANY OF YOU!!

  • Joseph

    I do not agree with you Lonnie. The Jury voted her Not Guilty because they did not understand the definition of “Unreasonable Doubt”. Hard evidence is not required to convict someone of Murder-1. Circumstantial evidence points directly to Casey Anthony; case in point, and there’s no way of getting around it. Her attempted cover-ups, and refusal to speak to the authorities, is partial evidence that demonstrates her irresponsible nature. Furthermore, he constant stack of lies leading investigators on a wild goose chase, is another indication of guilt that she did something highly illegal. Now, whether she purposely murdered her child, or killed her on accident, no matter how you look at it, all the circumstantial evidence points DIRECTLY at her.

    Finally, more than 2/3′s of the American population believe she did it, or was at least directly responsible for Caylee’s death. And why do we believe this? Because we’re not stupid; especially those of us with children of our own. None of us are strong enough, and I mean NONE OF US, to set aside our emotions after losing a child, be it by accidents or natural catastrophies. Her emotional display was not that of a normal grieving mother; her emotional display was that of someone who was just set free. Her diary journal seems to suggest this. She was a mother who felt trapped to her child, and didn’t want to explain herself to her mother every single day. She wanted freedom, in my opinion, just like Susan Smith did, so she could start her new beautiful life.

    And NO MOTHER, and NOT EVEN A FATHER, runs to the nearest tattoo center to get a new tattoo 5 days after her daughter is alleged missing.

    Accident or not, SHE was responsible, and could have reported this so called “accident” to the police. But why didn’t she? Common sense should answer that one for you. She was afraid of going to jail. FEAR! But a mother or father who just lost their child does not have fear; he/she enters into grieving and depression, and cares very little by himself/herself. Casey dancing and partying with her friends is a clear indication of someone who was set free. And I don’t need the media to tell me that.

    So it makes no sense to blame the media Lonnie. Blame Casey who failed to protect her daughter as a GOOD MOTHER would have done.

    Joseph from SC

  • Joseph

    Lonnie wrote:

    “Jeesh, get real. The point is… proving 1ST DEGREE MURDER. No one denies the baby is dead. The question remains… by whom, and proving HOW would be nice to know, rather than speculation. Additionally, PROBABLY guilty doesn’t cut it according to the judges instructions. The jury had no choice….”

    The Jury did have a choice Lonnie, and they admit (some of them) now that they made the wrong choice. There’s someone now on death roll who was declare guilty WITHOUT hard evidence. Circumstantial evidence is roughly 80% percent of all those found guilty.

    Keep in mind that CSI, and NCIS is all fantasy and fictions. There’s no such thing as hard evidence from this point of view.

    She should have been declared guilty, if not charged for child neglect.

    Joseph from SC

  • Lonnie

    Why aren’t you attacking the incompetent prosecution that lead the jurors to a “not guilty” judgment?? That’s who should be responsible, not jurors. There was no sufficient evidence to show that she was intentionally killed or Casey killed her baby intentionally or accidentally. The jurors made the right decisions, and anyone with half a brain can realize that.

    Our legal system works because we convict on evidence and facts, not speculation and emotion. Good job jurors.

    What proof do you have that she killed her baby?

  • Joseph

    Why aren’t you attacking the incompetent prosecution that lead the jurors to a “not guilty” judgment?? That’s who should be responsible, not jurors. There was no sufficient evidence to show that she was intentionally killed or Casey killed her baby intentionally or accidentally. The jurors made the right decisions, and anyone with half a brain can realize that.

    Our legal system works because we convict on evidence and facts, not speculation and emotion. Good job jurors. What proof do you have that she killed her baby?

    Well I suppose that 2/3′s of this nation’s population only have “half a brain”. But one thing you’re missing is that the size of the brain doesn’t determine intelligence; it’s the amount of brain we use, and which side.

    The Prosecution provided what they could base on what was available. If Casey had told the truth the first time (which she refused to do on a repeated basis), the State would have had more information to obtain. Now why do you suppose, Lonnie, that Casey refused to assist the discovery of little adorable Caylee? It’s a fact that when people lie, they have something (or someone) to hide. You can’t honestly tell me that she as hiding Caylee’s body innocently, as though nothing were wrong. And how much knowledge or brain power does it take to realize that she was hiding the body from authorities so she wouldn’t get caught?

    The proof is that she obstructed justice by sending her parents and the authorities on wild goose chases. There was no accidental drowning for the solid fact that this was never mentioned until after three years of her imprisonment. The hundreds of lies she told, and the way the body was found, is clear evidence of a murder. Those who believe that George turned an accident into a murder scene are not being honest with themselves, and are fallen captive to the lies of Baez. As the prosecution stated, “You don’t put duct tape on an accident”. Why is this hard to understand with some people? If Caylee died from a terrible, but simple accident, Casey would not have gotten into much trouble. She may have served a few years for parental neglect, but that’s a far cry from the life imprisonment or the death penalty.
    The duct tape, and the little heart attached to the duct tape, which also matched some of the little hearts found in Casey’s room, all point to one person alone; Casey Anthony.
    The Juror failed to reach a true verdict because they did not take notes, nor evaluate the case as the media did. I also believe it’s because we had more exposure than the Juror’s. There were many times that the Jurors were dismissed while certain objections were being worked out.
    If you honestly believe that Caylee died by accidental drowning, then you too have been taken captive by the lies and deceptions of Caylee, who accused her own father and brother of Molestation. She never cried UNLESS someone was there defending her; she never cried when they spoke of little Caylee; this behavioral circumstance is indicative of guilt, anger, jealousy, and denial. I personally believe that she was jealous that her daughter received more attention from mommy and daddy than she did.
    Lastly, just consider her diary; that alone should be more than enough compelling evidence. Other than that, I’m not sure if you’re simply being naïve and are adapting to the ideals of behavioral patterns that have never been recorded in human history; no mother or father who loses a child continues in the patterns of behavior she displayed; her careless party attitude, and dancing on her daughters grave (figuratively speaking) are all clear signs and PROOF that she either murdered her daughter intentionally (as is suggested by her journal), or she accidentally killed her daughter. As to how, that doesn’t matter, nor is it required under the laws of judicial conviction.

    Joseph from SC

  • Joseph

    She never cried UNLESS someone was there defending her; she never cried when they spoke of little Caylee

    Correction; “Caylee” is supposed to read “Casey”. Typo error.

    Joseph

  • Joseph

    Our legal system works because we convict on evidence and facts, not speculation and emotion. Good job jurors

    You did not define the evidence here Lonnie. Allow me to elaborate that “circumstantial” evidnece is the primary way guilty convictions are determined. Who’s on death role right now from circumstantial evidence? Do you know? Here are the circumstantial evidences:

    1. Casey obstructed justice by lying to the authorities; Caylee was not kidnapped by “Zanny the Nanny”
    2. Casey did not panic when they found bones at the park she claimed Caylee was last seen (which prior to her arrest she claimed Caylee was last seen at Zanny’a appartment). She did not panich at the bones found there, but she flipped her mind when they found the remains of little Caylee on Suburban drive and THAT was BEFORE they even made a positive identification.
    3. Casey attacked her own family in court (mother, brother, father) in order to portray herself as a victum.
    4. Casey refused to work with authorities, and instead followed the advice of her attorney, who also said anything he wanted to confuse the Jury; and it worked.
    5. Her journal entry had a comment that clearly points to Casey planning to murder her daughter. But by the time the diary was made available, Baez may have already altered it, or rather instructed Casey to alter it, along with her mother Cindy’s approval.
    6. Caylee was found in a swamp, undisturbed by man, but eat’n by wild animals, with duct tape around the face which held the lower jaw in place (the lower jaw naturally separates after the body has decomposed)
    7. The lies she told on video while in prison
    8. The “Timer55″ code she admitted was a code

    There’s much more, but this was enough to convince me.

    Joseph

    Joseph

  • Joseph

    Oh, and the name of the person on death role, incase you didn’t know, is SCOTT PETERSON. NO solid evidence existed for him to be charged guilty; it was all circumstantial evidence.

    Joseph

  • Jessica

    Very well said…..I think the jurors were of low intelligence and got lost in the “reasonable doubt” circus versus the true and basic facts. Very sad and pathetic. Shame on them……they failed a little girl and our justice system.

  • Jessica

    Oh yeah…..not sure what trial the jurors were watching but it must not have been what 75% of Americans were watching……lol!!! Pretty sure the prosecution laid it down….sorry the jury were a bunch of pathetic pushovers…..good thing they’ll have to live with their guilt and shame just like Casey.

  • Lonnie

    1. Lying to the police while her baby is missing makes her disturbed, not a murderer.
    2. The Prosecution could not disprove that she drowned. It could have very well been an accidental drowning.
    3. The duct tape theory, is just that a theory. There was no DNA on the duct tape. Caylee’s DNA wasn’t even on the tape. The car trunk didn’t have DNA. The Journal Entry was vague to begin with, not to mention the day and month ONLY, not the year.
    4 You mention neglect, but the prosecution could not find one person that says she was a bad mother. Pictures and home videos prove of a happy Caylee proves that she wasnt abused.
    5 You still didnt show any evidence that prove that she killed her baby.
    6. The jurors did not have to believe the defense story, because they dont have the burden of proof. They have to find reasonable doubt in the State’s story and that’s why she is not guilty. ‘Not Guilty’ doesn’t mean innocent, it means the state didn’t prove that she was guilty.
    7. Chloroform searches…THAT WAS A COMPLETE FABRICATED STORY!!!!! Remember the argument that the attorneys had about the searches. The hit was identified in what appeared to be a Mork database belonging to Mozilla Firefox. The file was identified as residing in unallocated clusters, and rather surprisingly, is reported to have been intact. Furthermore, all of the blocks belonging to the file were said to be contiguous. What Nancy Grace DID NOT TELL her audience is that the state ran TWO TESTS. And one of those tests had major differences in the results. The state tried their hardest to keep the scientist that ran the first test off the stand because they didn’t want the jurors to know about the second test, but thank god the defense was able to call him up. So you want the jurors to believe the 84 searches and discount the other test that was also ran by the state. No, those test canceled each other out. Not only that but the program that the prosecution went with was BRAND NEW, and the test that was difference was the one that they normally use.
    8. The state defied logic to think she did it to go out and party. That motive is flawed beyond all rational thought processes. She knew damn well all she had to do to get out of being a parent was call children services on herself, give her kid up, and the state would take her. Then she could party all she wanted. I agree the way she act was disturbing. As if anyone would risk murdering someone to get out of being a parent. Not to mention, If she was out partying all night, sleeping with men, going on shopping sprees, smoking drugs, taking drugs, getting tattoos and all the other things the state want you to believe she didn within those 31 days then how in the hell did she have time to COVER UP the crime and Out Smart the entire Florida Forensic Crime lab. Was she even smart enough to outsmart the criminal system?

    The state wanted the jurors to believe that she fell asleep as a loving mother and woke up as a child murderer. Uh uh, that just wont fly. Then they backed their “facts” with evidence that has never been used in a US Court ever before. All the science that the prosecution used was new and controversial. Why should the jurors review controversial science? Not one of the state elected scientist agreed with the state but testified for the defense. That says a lot about the State’s fantasy story.
    Virtually all the evidence against Casey Anthony was circumstantial. You know how many innocent people are in jail to this day based on circumstantial evidence. If prosecutors actually had to prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” the alleged crimes they feed through the machinery of rocket docket justice system it would grind to a halt. This alleged “CSI” effect prosecutors complain about is actually a “you really have to prove it” effect.
    If you go over of the circumstances of the profess from beginning to end of all of the falsely convicted prisoners getting out of jail after having served 15 years on a “rape” conviction or some other crime where eyewitness identification was used to convict, you would learn how unreliable it actually is. People even confess to crimes they didn’t commit because they believe the evidence that they did them is stronger than it is. This is how plea bargains come about.

  • Lonnie

    The truth here is that the State of Florida is at fault for charging the case incorrectly, this was a mistake, they paid for that mistake.
    They should have charged the case correctly, accidental death, they could have proven easily, Casey Anthony might now be enjoying the charming company of many inmates for 12 to 25 years, however the state sought the life of this defendant without cause.

    Relying on news reports is a poor way to determine the effectiveness of an prosecution or defense. You were not on the jury, and most have not served on juries, so they lack the knowledge and experience of what it like to decide guilt from innocence. Perhaps you should volunteer and find out

  • Darcy

    Lonnie are you serious??? You have got to be related to one of the jurors to be defending them so strongly. The stupidity of the American public is astounding at times and this jury and your comments totally supports that statement. I was stunned at the verdict as anyone with common sense could see what happened. They are trying to justify their totally stupid verdict by saying things like circumstantial etc.,etc. They are morons. No nice way to say it. It is what it is. Hopefully they will feel some guilt over what they did but stupid people rarely do. Their too STUPID

  • Darcy

    Lonnie you must be related to one of the jurors. Why else would you defend some of the most ignorant people alive? The stupidity of the American public is astounding at times and this jury certainly proves that sttement. Hope they feel bad for their decision but they probably wont. Stupid people are too stupid to understand. So whoever your related to on this pathetic representation of juries,i feel sorry for you.

  • Joseph

    1. Lying to the police while her baby is missing makes her disturbed, not a murderer.

    “Disturbed”? You’ve got to be joking! *laughs* Then she is the very first person in human history to hide her daughters dead body because she was “disturbed”. That’s an insult to all parents who’ve lost their children. She was so “disturbed” that she continued on with her life as it was prior to Caylee’s death. To celebrate that life, she even got a tattoo denoting her new “Beautiful Life”. Doesn’t look like she was disturbed to me.

    Do you even have any children Lonnie? I’ve raised 4 myself. And trust me when I say that NO PARENT, and I mean NONE, would carry on as though nothing happen. “Disturbed” is a parent grieving the loss of the children they love. If Casey loved her daughter, then she would not have the emotion strength to carry on as though nothing happen; it’s just not possible. And don’t tell me that ignorant theory that a parent who lost a child could live in denial. Those who live in denial do not go galloping the night town, OR visit tattoo shops. Most parents, after losing a child, tend to enter a state of great depression. Casey showed no signs of depression, nor any signs of remorse, pain, guilt, and great sorrow. Oh no, she was living the wonderful life. So your belief that Casey was “disturbed” has absolutely no validation, and is nothing more than an unproven, nonfactual myth.

    2. The Prosecution could not disprove that she drowned. It could have very well been an accidental drowning.

    That wasn’t their intent; their intent was to prove that Casey was responsible for the murder of her daughter. And I believe they did a fantastic job with the evidence they were able to obtain, despite the FACT that Casey hid her daughter body, and lied to the detectives, thereby contributing to the difficulty in recovering Caylee’s body in ample time; THAT would have enabled them to provide the necessary evidence you seems to believe as the ONLY source of conviction capable of landing Casey Anthony in prison for life. I hate to say this, but let me be the first to remind you that NCIS and CSI is all fiction; those are made-up scenarios. The real life doesn’t require such evidence, such as DNA, forensics, etc. It’s great to have this kind of evidence, but until this kind of science has been perfected, circumstantial evidence will (or should) be the continued determinations to convictions of guilt or innocence.

    3. The duct tape theory, is just that a theory. There was no DNA on the duct tape. Caylee’s DNA wasn’t even on the tape. The car trunk didn’t have DNA. The Journal Entry was vague to begin with, not to mention the day and month ONLY, not the year.

    The duct tape was not just a theory; it was a logical theory. Duct tape, which was proven to be traced from the Anthony’s residence, of which Casey had access to. Remember the gas cans Casey took without permission? And since it was proven that the duct tape came from George Anthony’s house, then that means the very same person who stole the gas cans, also stole the duct tape. Guess who that was. CASEY!

    4 You mention neglect, but the prosecution could not find one person that says she was a bad mother. Pictures and home videos prove of a happy Caylee proves that she wasnt abused

    That, Lonnie, is illogical. A mother seen playing with her children in photo’s, or among friends, does not make her a good mother. That is an illusion. How we act in public is not the same as how we act behind closed doors. Children are sometimes treated as spectacles when we are with our friends, and/or relatives. But behind closed doors, our anger is sometimes shown, and not always in the right way. Most parents won’t spank their children in public. But when they get home? Watch out, because the belt or the hand sometimes flies. Besides, a good parent would not have let her daughter die without notification. THAT makes her a bad parent. A good parent would not have let her daughter drown, or at least would have taken all necessary precautions. Besides, there was not evidence to suggest a drowning. AND let’s not forget the fact that this would have been reported EVEN when she was first arrested. On a prison video, during communication between Casey and her parents, Cindy (mother) stated that some speculated that Caylee drowned. And what was Casey’s response? “Surprise! Surprise!” of which she then insistently stated that Caylee was alive, and that she could “feel it”.

    Cayle did not drown. You don’t make an accidental drowning look like a murder scene, UNLESS you’re trying to hide something. Perhaps she was hiding the accidental death of her daughter caused by drugs.

    5 You still didnt show any evidence that prove that she killed her baby.

    I most certainly did. Her psycho-pathetic attitude, and her carelessness more than proves that she was directly responsible for the death of her daughter. She was the last one to be with Caylee, otherwise someone would have came forward. She was the one lying; she was the one hiding the truth; she was the one who told more lies than the devil did since creation began (figuratively speaking). Therefore, she (according to logically derived circumstantial evidence) murdered her daughter, AND obstructed justice to prevent the recovery of Caylee’s body.

    6. The jurors did not have to believe the defense story, because they dont have the burden of proof. They have to find reasonable doubt in the State’s story and that’s why she is not guilty. ‘Not Guilty’ doesn’t mean innocent, it means the state didn’t prove that she was guilty.

    But there was no reasonable doubt. Believing the defense’s story without evidence is not legal to do when it comes to reasonable doubt. Hook, line, sinker; the Jury fell for the defense’s lies without facts. Yes the burden of proof rests with the prosecution. But this does not give the defense the legal right to simply come up with any scenario designed to cause “reasonable doubt”. For all we care, Baez could have said that Caylee was kidnapped by aliens, and murdered as a test-subject for biological experiments. I know this is a far-fetched argument, but common sense tells us that the alien story doesn’t hold water, and neither does an accidental drowning. She could have reported that, and spared herself years of trouble. Parents most likely do not go to prison because their children drowned, UNLESS negligence can be proven. Now it appears you believe that Caylee drowned by accident. Well then Lonnie, how can you say that she was a good mother, and yet was not negligent? According to most OSHA studies, 88% percent of all accidents are preventable, and are caused by unsafe acts of people. Was Caylee’s theoretical accidental drowning preventable? Yes, but Casey was negligent in her responsibilities as a mother. Unfortunately, the Juror’s were not intelligent to understand that an accidental drowning theory does not fit the emotional profile of Casey. Casey’s attitude was a clear demonstration of murder, and not an accident. There are no recorded cases of a parent who suffered the loss of their child, goes out partying and visiting tattoo shops, because their lives would be so grief stricken that they would live a temporary life of isolation; Casey did not do that.

    7. Chloroform searches…THAT WAS A COMPLETE FABRICATED STORY!!!!! Remember the argument that the attorneys had about the searches. The hit was identified in what appeared to be a Mork database belonging to Mozilla Firefox. The file was identified as residing in unallocated clusters, and rather surprisingly, is reported to have been intact. Furthermore, all of the blocks belonging to the file were said to be contiguous

    To your defense, I too thought that the chloroform searches were a week argument. However, Casey knew exactly what Chloroform was/is. She mentioned Chloroform to Tracey, her body guard assigned to her for 9 days. But there was chloroform found in the trunk of her car, as well as the location of Caylee’s body. Now we could debate this both ways, but if you’re going to theorize that the chloroform came from somewhere else, then it must first be proven. The defense did not prove this.

    Now one last thing. The duct tape did not have DNA on it because it was too badly decomposed; all thanks to the delay tactics of Casey Anthony. But, the duct tape was attached to Caylee’s hair. It’s the second peace of duct tape that Baez claimed originated from trash around the same area. The problem with this theory is that the duct tape was limited to the type and brand found in Anthony’s home. Therefore, the prosecution proved that the duct tape to be the murder weapon. Now we certainly don’t know how Caylee died, but the crime scene gave everyone a clear indication of how she died; suffocation.

    In conclusion, while there was not fictional facts that some people insist on happening, the circumstantial evidence should have sufficed the Jury to make a logical conclusion; Caylee was murdered by her mother, either be willful intent, or by illegal accident (via drugs). An accidental death by drowning does not fit the attitude, nor the profile of Casey Anthony, and should have received life for her negligence, if not murder. I believe the so called “reasonable doubt” should not have been enough to acquit Casey of either 1st degree murder, or manslaughter.

    Joseph from SC

  • Atlanta GA

    So glad I gound this site.

    These jurors just didn’t get and they gave up. They just couldn’t understand the techincal and circumstantial evidence. They were lazy in their thinking.

    They didn’t understand that circumstantial evidence required Logic and Deductive Reasoning.

    Aggravated Manslaughter was a GIVEN – Caylee was dead and there Culpable Negligence from the Mom, i.e. let’s believe that it was some kind of accident (I don’t, but give the jury some slack), for goodness sake the Mom denied her own child MEDICAL CARE.

    Judge Perry explained all this to the jury and the jury ignored it – lazy and incompentent jury. Casey’s peers, truly.

    This was an easy case with all that evidence.

    They will always been known as THE LAZY AND INCOMPETENT JURY THAT JUST DIDN’T GET IT.

  • Cheryl

    To Joseph from SC:
    On behalf of logical and loving people everywhere, Thank you for your careful and considered response to Lonnie’s points. It is so far beyond a reasonable doubt that there is simply is no other explanation for the events in this case. Your perspective helps restore my faith in the integrity and intelligence of humankind. The absurd verdict in this case seriously had me worried.

  • Joseph

    To Joseph from SC:
    On behalf of logical and loving people everywhere, Thank you for your careful and considered response to Lonnie’s points. It is so far beyond a reasonable doubt that there is simply is no other explanation for the events in this case. Your perspective helps restore my faith in the integrity and intelligence of humankind. The absurd verdict in this case seriously had me worried.

    You are absolutely right Cheryl; the circumstantial evidence should have been enough to remove any reasonable doubt. Unfortunately, that was not the case with the Juror’s. We’ll never know why they voted the way they did, and in such record time (for such an important case).

    Casey Anthony, in my opinion, will always be a walking fugitive, detested by society, and scorned at by most people in this world. Sure there will be many sick men (or immature males) who will hold up signs asking Casey to marry them. But thus far, the ones who have shown interest in a relationship with her, appeared to be the perfect match for her; scum and drugged up trash with no education, no morale’s, and a constant drain to the American tax payer. Just look at Casey’s life thus far; look at how much money she’s already sucked out of our nation! I’m appalled by this! I’m a very hard working citizen of this country, serving my country, paying my taxes, and earning a living. And while she has not yet started her life, she’s already costs hundreds of thousands, if not more than a million, from her twisted way of life. I know I’m probably wrong to verbally condemn her. But acquitted or not, she will always be a baby killer in my mind; her acts prove it. She’s the example of a typical smart mouthed teen with no desire to earn a living, but full of desire to steal the lives of others; her daughter’s death proved that.

    I say ignore her, and let God deal with her accordingly. Ignoring her as though she did not exist is perhaps the worst punishment one could receive. May God grant her mercy to admit her guilt….if she even has any.

    Joseph from SC

  • The Truth

    I felt I had to comment once I saw the jury foreman speak. Such a travesty of justice and what ignorance this man had. Teacher or no teacher he spoke like an individual who had a great ego and was not at all very intelligent. When a jury is sequesterd for that long of a time period, individuals come out as either a leader or a follower, this man wanted that position to be his, he sat there, away from his wife and family and looked Casey Anthony in the eye for over a month. Ever been on a business retreat where men are away from there wife for over a week? I have, and they get goofy, they start saying and thinking things that they should not. This guy was too immature to be in that position and he was smitten with Ms. Anthony, and by the way, she knew that, she can read em like a book. This is a master manipulator and a gifted liar. My God, what has this jury done…stupid fools all of them.

  • wayne

    There was a huge traffic jam in I -10 freeway near Los Angeles –all cars stopped -I ask the trooper what the problem was –He sais Casey Anthony is up ahead in a van with two cans of gasoline she is so depressed cos the whole world hates her –she is threatening to douse herself with the gas and end it all ..–we are just going down the road here taking up donations to try and get her some help –Oh Really what have you gotten so far —so far we have collected 30 more gallons and 6 log lighters

  • Joseph

    LOL! Is this a true account? Man I Hope so.

    Joseph

  • LA

    Supposedly a stain that was in Casey’s car was fluids from human decomposition. After analysis, there was no human DNA present in the fluids presenting a stain in the trunk of the car. My question; what was it? Was there ANY kind of DNA in that stain and source of the smell?

  • LA

    More weird $it. ..

    When George A got his gas cans back from Casey’s car on the 24th of June, as he was standing by the RR taillight by the trunk, why didn’t he smell the stench of a rotting corpse?

    One of those same gas cans, (the old round one) did not have the duct tape over the vent hole when GA got his cans back from Casey. GA did not put gas back in those cans. On Aug. 1st the OCSO retrieved those cans for evidence. GA bought new ones. After testing and photographing the cans, GA got his cans back. The round one had a large strip of duct tape on it over the vent hole. How could that happen?

  • LA

    And why .. .. (little known tidbits)

    When George Anthony retrieved his car from the impound lot, the lot guy reached in Casey’s car trunk and said; “whew, this is the source of the smell” and threw a white bag with yellow handles in the dumpster.

    In the evidence photos, the bag that was retrieved by OCSO, the night of the 16th, was a white bag with blue handles. WTF? And it didn’t stink like the car .. .how is that possible?

  • LA

    Some more unusual facts. .. .

    Right after Casey was arrested the first time and returned home on bond, her and her mother were going through Casey’s Facebook pages, looking for clues as to who would have taken Caylee. One of the photos showed Caylee playing drums and Cindy asked Casey; “Where was this photo taken?”. .She responded; “Oh, that was at Zanny’s apartment!”. . Isn’t it odd that it turns out that the apartment belonged to Ricardo Morales and his roommate Amy Huizenga?. .Connect the dots. .. .

  • JILL

    THANK GOD MOST PEOPLE FEEL THE WAY I DO.I READ ON ANOTHER WEBSITE THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAD SYMPATHY FOR CASEY ANTHONY.THOSE PEOPLE MUST BE SMOKING SOME SERIOUS CRACK.I HATE THAT BITCH CASEY AND THOSE IDIOTIC JURORS.HOW CAN YOU QUESTION WHAT HAPPENED TO CAYLEE.UH…DUH…SHE WASNT REPORTED,SHE WAS THROWN LIKE TRASH IN THE WOODS WITH DUCT TAPE ON HER FACE IN GARBAGE BAGS HMMMM?MAYBE SHE DID DROWN.WHAT A BUNCH OF F****.CASEY WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.REMEMBER THAT B*TCH.THANK YOU ALL THE CASEY HATERS…YOU ROCK.AND TO THE JURORS WHAT THE F*** WERE YOU THINKING.AND TWO OF THE JURORS VOTED GUILTY FOR 1ST DEGREE MURDER SO HOW DO YOU GO FROM THAT TO NOT GUILTY ON EVERYTHING.WHERE WERE YOUR BALLS?MORONS.JURORS SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR LETTING A CHILD KILLER GO FREE.THEY KEPT SAYING THEY WERE FOLLOWING THE LAW.THE GRAND JURY THOUGHT THERE WAS ENOUGH TO INDICT HER THEN THERES ENOUGH TO CONVICT HER.BUNCH OF MORONS,IDIOTS……..

  • Doug

    The jury members who acquitted Casey Anthony are complicate in Caylee’s murder, as far as I’m concerned. I would love for their names to be publicized and have them be subject to about as much vile hatred as the monster herself. There is no excuse for their having let her literally get away with murder – if the entire world basically thought that Casey Anthony was guilty of that poor little girl’s murder, then how is it the jury members did not? Were they brain-dead zombies? I do not have to have been there to know that there is no way they couldn’t have found Casey Anthony guilty, it was so obvious and there were no other suspects – even her idiot parents were suspected of covering up their daughter’s crime more that they were the murder itself. I hope the parents suffer as well, they deserve it for having stood by their worthless piece of trash of a daughter as long as they did even when it became painfully obvious she was guilty of murdering their grand-daughter – what kind of person could just overlook that?

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