1. iforgotit

May 27, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

i can see where you’re coming from, but even as an assertive, indpendent female myself, i say that you’ve got to be a fan of the show from before the drama hit the fan, to make a more accurate judgment call (or perhaps, someone a little less like kate). also, tlc is only replaying their best shows (which also contain pieces of the real kate too, but just not as many). fighting off a mean-spirited, nagging, witch day-after-day is nothing short of exhausting. that is why today jon is like a lump of clay. the man is tired. he is typically more energetic and displays a happy demeanor. but everytime he and the kids begin to have fun, kate comes swooping down on her broom and squashes it. jon is more intelligent than kate, thus, he thinks before he speaks, but in her simplistic state-of-mind, she assumes he is stupid, therefore, she speaks for him. many times i have noticed that my nerves have been totally shot, after watching jon and kate +8, b/c her voice becomes like nails dragging down a chalkboard, and there have too many times i’ve said “ouch” outloud, as if what nasty thing she just said to jon, was said directly to me. kate gosselin has an abusive personality and she should not have this television show which keeps her beleiving she is worthy enough to speak at events on parenting. clean faces and tied shoes are important, yes, but kids don’t die if they remain dirty for an afternoon and everything doesn’t have to be matching. also, most mothers aren’t constantly getting their kids ready and dragging them all over. they give them freetime. tlc has written these “moments” into the show lately b/c they’ve learned from blogs that it’s what fans complain about not seeing enough of. but kate always looks severely disturbed about it. and once the kids have 5 minutes of fun, she puts an end to it by yelling at jon to get them ready and put them to bed. jon deserves to be treated like a person and he hasn’t been for a long time. he can’t do or say ANYthing without creating a more hostile environment b/c of kate. the times when he acts a bit “jerky” is b/c you can’t sit and reason with a person like kate. you have to tell her how it’s going to be…let her know “that’s how i’m doing it. it’s not open for discussion.” and then trust yourself that you can handle it and that you know what you’re doing. kate is a martyr. if she would back off and let jon do things himself from the start, things would get done more quickly and with less drama. (watch season 5 opener, the “cake lighting” moment between jon and kate). not everything has to be perfect when personal time and a little independence has to be sacrificed. for example, jon didn’t get to snowboard since he was married. that’s almost 10 years of jon not getting to be a sportsy guy. the majority of men would not have gone that long. jon does A LOT. if you got that, you’d probably want your spouse to be more like jon, b/c the truth is, he’s a great guy and an amazing father. he would be an awesome husband too but kate requires “perfection” and let’s face it, no man will ever make her happy.

2. Shawnte

May 27, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

I’m with ya! I’m trying to focus on my marriage. I admit I do watch the reruns in passing. Hearing screaming, crying and playing little one on tv helps calm down my little one at times, but I have alot to deal with in my on marriage before I start to point fingers at what somebody else is doing in theirs. Who cares!

3. iforgotit

May 27, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

great. why don’t we all turn away from child abuse and for that matter, molestation. you sound self-absorbed. and no one’s saying that someone who has an out-of-control life has to lend a helping hand. leave it to those of us who are wise and emotionally in control. in other words, you should care. if you ever died, and your husband remarried a witchilla, wouldn’t you want an aunt jodi to speak up or would you like her turn away like you do?

4. mully

May 27, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

Any co-parenting mother in America who has experienced trying to get even a child or two ready for a major “dress-up” ocassion, juggling shoes and tights and tiny little socks and keeping faces cleaned and hair combed while simultaneously dressing and coiffing herself, only to come down and find her spouse showered, dressed, and lounging on the sofa watching SportCenter, knows of what I speak. It takes more to make a family outing happen than simply taking a child’s hand and buckling them into a carseat.

While I wont argue with your basic premise, that Jon is a wimp Kym, I do take exception to the above analogy about Jon Gosselin. He isnt just the dad who buckles the kids into their carseats. Not by a long shot.

In fact, Kate picks out their outfit for the day, or the trip or whatever and SHE goes and gets herself dressed while Jon is the one who actually does the dressing of them. Now this probably isnt as much of an issue right now because they are older, but in early shows, Kate herself has made a point of saying that she picks the clothes, Jon dresses them. Jon also bathed the kids. He also brushed their teeth. This last point is especially of note because on an episode where they went to the dentist and some were found to have cavities, Kate made a point of looking at the camera and mentioning that she would have to “get on” Jon for doing such a poor job of tooth brushing.

Like I said. He IS passive. No question about it, but while I didnt have 8, I did have 4 and there were MANY times Id have given my right arm to have had a Jon Gosselin around when it was time to get all of them ready for church on Sunday etc.

Hes not the brightest star in the sky, but he definitely deserves more credit than saying that Kate is justified in her treatment of him.

5. Lynda

May 27, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Mully, I would say the same, but you said it so eloquently! I don’t think I’ll soon forget that moment between Jon and Alexis at the 5th b’day party. His interactions w/the kids are so much more genuine than Kates. (Please, her going and kissing each kid Mon. nite as they sat on a picnic bench. Everything, every move she makes, has nothing to do w/the kids and everything to do w/the camera)

6. mully

May 27, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Thanks Lynda: While Im not a huge fan of Jon Gosselin, by a long shot hes a better parent than Kate, in my opinion.

I realize that hes “just a stay at home Dad” and that Kate is out on the road, hoofing it, making the bucks and that fact probably has a lot to do with their current marital strife. However, the point needs to be made that simply because one person has a penis and one has a vagina that its assumed the one who brings home the bacon has to have the penis.

Kate is admittedly and notably, better at what she is doing than Jon would be, he admits that and Kate, of course, is her own best (worst?) cheering section on that issue. But someone needs to tend to those 8 kids and right now and in my opinion, for a long while, it hasnt been Kate and that is simply because it isnt what Kate WANTS to do. Kate wants to be in the limelight, the center of attention. All of that is fine by me. I have no problem with her having all the glory. But then dont go acting as tho shes the perfect mother, when she is at home as well as being the perfect breadwinner when she isnt.

She seems afraid to give Jon the credit he does deserve for being the good parent he seems to be and I think thats because in her eyes, giving Jon credit for anything, will somehow diminish her.

SHe needs to wise up and realize that it takes 2 and never more than when you have the challenges of 8 kids the ages their kids are.

9. bethh

June 13, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

anyone who had liposuction and extra help can look as good as the shit for brains Kate. You couldn’t be happy with 2 kids?!?!?
You had to try and get your 15 minutes of fame by having babies you did’nt want!!!
What a FAT Brainless LOSER COW!!!!!!!!

10. elizabeth gagliano

July 4, 2009 @ 12:26 am

Jon used to work a nine to five. He quit for the show. Kate didin’t write “her ” books a woman named carlson or carson wrote her book. Kate had her name removed after the second run of publishing. Kate is an opportunist (is that spelled right), she is going to hitch her wagon on everything and anything to get ahead. I hope they pull the plug on her show. Healthtex has backed off for now, she is suppose to be their spokesperson. This is a brand that is sold at Walmart. I can hear her saying Walmart OMG are you kidding ! The stories are going to be flying and the dirt is going to dirtier just you see. Kate and Jon will have to divide up their assets. Kate is going to claim it ws all me.They would have nothing if I haden’t done anything. When the public sees the amount of money they have made and the “love offerings” they have received from churches, I hope the public finally realizes just exactly who Jon and Kate are The damage control will be a joke. Jon was making a middle figure income and Kate being a nurse they could in the world of normal make about 100,000 a year. In this economy thats a hefty income. I think after all this and her children are in their teens they will be in their own reality shows. Famous stars children gone bad, Intervention, Celebrity rehab. Kate will blame Jon for not being there for his children.I don’t watch the show i think I’m going to start watching the deadliest catch. Same thing almost but you don’t have to listen to Kate’s mouth

11. JackieBrown

July 9, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

I’m sure the Gosselin’s are appreciating the recent media attention focused elsewhere — or are they?????
Seems that Kate has enjoyed using the press to air dirty laundry, sling mud, be self-promoting, sympathy seeking and then is critical when the reports of her are less favorable. I’m sure to some degree she’s aware that when you’re out of the public eye, fame is fleeting.
Not a fan of either Jon or Kate but at least to some degree although he’s admitted to being a ‘door mat’, he’s holding true to his statement of keeping information pertaining to their relationship private.

12. Lynda

July 9, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

elizabeth gagliano said:
July 4, 2009 @ 12:26 am

Jon used to work a nine to five. He quit for the show. Kate didin’t write “her ” books a woman named carlson or carson wrote her book. Kate had her name removed after the second run of publishing.

Are you sure about this Elizabeth? Wow, she’s got nerve, no doubt about that!

13. Lauren

July 10, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Kimberly, I agree with you. Jon is the HUSBAND. The head of his household, according to the Gosselin’s religion. My husband is the head of our household (We’re Baptist/Methodist) and we sit down every month at the kitchen table and review the bills versus the bank account. We discuss payment amounts and new ventures/investments. He has always been the head of the household, but there are times that we’ve had to take our disagreements out of earshot to resolve them. But my children know, and I know, that we can depend on “Dad” to take care of things. (Even though it takes both us working to do that. Used to be that my paycheck (and I make a good wage as a paralegal) was just for extra money, but now it’s going towards some of the bills).

I’m just saying that Jon, as the husband, should have stood up to his wife and put his children first. When things that his wife did disrupted his family (and I beleive it did, at times), Jon was supposed to be responsible for stepping up and straightening it out and he did not. I am recalling the cupcake episode. Both Jon and Kate denied the boys their birthday desserts, but later, on the couch confession, Jon was told by Jen Stocks, “The boys were really upset that they didn’t get their cupcakes . . .” And Jon very defensively (and immaturely) said, “And ya know what? They didn’t even miss them!” Of course they missed them! No one is going to believe that those little boys didn’t remember that the next day. They saw that Hannah was given her cupcake even after she didn’t eat either. Jon was defending himself, when he should have stood up to Kate that night at dinner and said “You can’t give the cupcake to one child who didn’t eat and deprive the boys!” He should have defended his children. That was just one glimpse into their parenting. It’s like Kate defending spanking Leah in front of cameras. Now this precious child’s anguish is perpetually displayed for everyone. But Kate defended her actions. If you have to constantly defend your parenting, maybe you need to get out of the public’s view.

Jon is just as liable as Kate because he has allowed his children to be treated this way. He is as lazy and as greedy as his soon to be ex-wife.

And while I’m on the subject of this, it’s my belief that Jon and Kate regularly read the internet blogs and comments about them. I think that Jon was absolutely emasculated by Kate on tv, but the fact that it was reiterated on the internet and on shows like “The Soup” and Jay Leno just reinforced the fact to him that on television screens across this nation and others that he is seen as a wimp and as a laughingstock. That’s Jon’s own fault. Now he’s trying to prove that he’s not, that he’s a stud, that he is a man, indeed. Just my opinion.

14. Grandmafrm Ks

July 10, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

Lauern, you are so right,espically they claiming to be christians Jon should have put a stop to Kates bashing long ago, If they indeed were christians and ever spent any time in the word (and I am sure Kate knew this by the way she was raised) that the husband is the head of the home, that does by no means mean that we as women are stupid or to be slaves to him but as you said we are one, there should be communication on every aspect of the marriage,
I believe a man and wife can have dis-agreements and still come to a wise decision if they communicate, not order, not scream, not belittle or shame the other.
Honestly the little smacks never did bother me, because she always seemed to be in a good joyful mood when she did it, but the way she hollered at Jon and continueously put him down, even on the couch interviews she would correct him for of all things (interuppting her) Oh my gosh she always did that to him, If he tried to answer a question she just butted in, but remember when they left Disney and she had a hoarse voice? she said “I lost my most important feature” like she loves the sound of her own voice.
I must say I guess you all had her pegged from the beginning and she sure has proved every one of you right, I wonder if she ever looks back at the early shows and wonders where she went wrong, what happened to “it’s all for the kids?” because so far there has been so much they have received that is not kid friendly at all, Makes me wonder how either one of them can even sleep at night, do they not have a conscience at all? Just to look at the kids would or should be enough to wake them up,

15. Lauren

July 11, 2009 @ 10:55 am

I must say I guess you all had her pegged from the beginning and she sure has proved every one of you right

Grandma, what was the turning point for you? I ask because so many people say “it’s just a show,” when in fact, I believe it will go down in television history as a very bad idea. I read a comment online that the show cannibalized the family. As far as whether or not they have a conscience, I think Jon and Kate don’t really live in “reality.” The show created a “life” for them and it was clear to me when they said “The show is our life and our life is the show,” that they had both lost touch with reality.

I also think that what came across as my “hatred” of Kate was actually just frustration in watching two grown people with so little awareness and inability to consider the consequences of their decision. It makes my blood run cold if I let myself think that they might have consciously chose fame and wealth over their children’s emotional and mental well-being.

16. Valerie

July 11, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

It makes my blood run cold if I let myself think that they might have consciously chose fame and wealth over their children’s emotional and mental well-being.

Lauren, If they didn’t when this all started, they certainly are now.
It is so obvious that the children are suffering emotionally as well as mentally, and yet both parents are still choosing fame and wealth.
It is truly mind boggling.