When parent’s good intentions go horribly wrong…

Posted February 16, 2008 at 2:54 pm by

I suppose all parenting is based on some sort of ideology, but when does ideology interfere and cross the line of what is in a child’s best interest?

It’s too bad that far too often, a parent’s desire to influence a social movement leaves them vulnerable in order to make a point or act in protest.

For example, and I know this is a touchy subject with some, but parents who refuse to vaccinate their children, claiming that it’s all part of some conspiracy theory to line the pockets of pharmaceutical companies. Many parents are so busy trying to find ways that vaccinations cause more harm than good, I think they forgot why vaccines were introduced to begin with. How much evidence does one need to make the logical conclusion that your political gain may compromise the health of your child?

For example, a recent Measles outbreak in San Diego:

On Jan. 25, the 7-year-old’s parents took the youngster to the Children’s Clinic of La Jolla. The child may have coughed and sneezed in the office, thus infecting four other children.

Those four patients returned to the clinic between Feb. 5 and 8, possibly spreading the virus to 60 other children.

All of the 11 confirmed patients, from 10 months to 9 years old, were not vaccinated either because they were younger than 1 – the minimum age for measles inoculation – or because their parents objected to having them vaccinated, county officials said.

…and, although it has NEVER been proven that vaccinations cause Autism, and countless studies fail to even make a link, there are still those holdouts that don’t care what science has to offer, the political statement of pharma vitriol means more to them than what they consider to be a minuscule risk. Nevermind that the risk WIDENS and INCREASES as more and more parents decide not to vaccinate. (Oh, the irony!) Facts, in these cases, don’t seem to be a priority.
One physician tries to uncover the psychology of it all…

It seems to have taken on a life of its own and may be a good example of a socio-psychological phenomenon known as “groupthink,” a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive group.

There may be many parents who will never be convinced that the benefits of immunization for their children in most cases outweigh the risks. In free countries, that is their prerogative and I, as a physician, accept that.

Society must understand that such convictions must not dictate public health policy. Failure to offer people a sound vaccination program would no doubt result in a resurgence of contagions such as polio, measles, and heaven forbid, perhaps even smallpox, should the wild virus ever be reintroduced into the world.

The human toll in lives and suffering, long forgotten by our postmodern world, would be incalculable in a jet age which rapidly spreads infectious disease to all continents.

I’m sure we all have different, conflicting examples of “group think” and some “group think” is beneficial to a child, like the disdain of child abuse, but when does group think interfere with our own sensibilities? I think the Internet, for better or worse, has propagated much of this and found validations for practices in which some critical thinking would go a long way. I can think of a bunch just off the top of my head, can’t you?

  • http://none AVet-that-wasted-25years

    I aggree..Be when does it become Child Abuse…over some protest?

    I know some things the Government does has helped the pharmacutical business…others are there for our own good…but where do we draw the line?

    Example
    The makers of Viox…the FDA had to approve it before doctors could do their thing…the board of scientist that approved it iz livein real well on their salries..ummm..must be something to this…yet no one questions the FDA…why? cuz they are well educated n we are not…Ok…WHERE ARE THE BRAINS of people today…cant you see something is wrong?
    Americans needs to wakeup to see what is going on.
    Everyone says…
    The Rich gets Richer and the Poor gets Poorer…DUH…look at why
    If you are one of the people who suied Viox then ya a little better off…but the makers of Viox just rights it down as a business expense n raise the price of other drugs …at whos cost…Yup…ya right…ours…so who iz loseing the game here…we are..and Parents are allowing it..
    Im not well educated but even i can see this.

    Where do we draw the line?

  • Rita

    First of all, I need to comment on the FDA and pharma company assumptions. My husband is a PhD level scientist in the pharma industry. I can guarantee you that those guys are not the ones making profits off of these things. Our country is SO screwed up these days that PhD’s have shaky positions. We’re thankful every quarter that he still has a job. There is no security. He’s still marketable elsewhere if they do cut his position (which is happening everywhere), but not for long. India is the big pharma research area these days. Why pay our guys to do work that Indian scientists are happy to do for 1/3 the cost? The thing is, too, that since drugs take about ten years from discovery to the shelf, we won’t realize for a decade what a horrible mistake this was. We won’t see for 10 years what kind of crap has been created over there and whether it will really do the world any good. For now, most of the drugs are still discovered here, but the trend is to move overseas and if it’s not deliberately stopped, then that’s what our future will be. It’s very sad that we push math and science for our kids, still believing that we live in a society that values such things when we don’t. The scientists are just the grunts that do the work to line the businessmen’s pockets.

    The FDA as a whole is pretty tight. It is severe in its scrutiny of new drugs. It errs on the side of caution. It really does. A lot of these drugs that we hear about that are passed and have these horrible side effects, yeah, they have horrible and sometimes fatal side effects, are because of human error, not because of a conspiracy. The drug companies are right to be sued, because mistakes are mistakes and things should have been researched more and controlled for better (hint, this is only going to get worse as fewer things are researched by our own scientists—you think it’s bad NOW? Wait, just wait and see). But, it’s also true that pharma companies are fighting to get lower FDA standards and recently (in the last, hmmmm….7 years?) they’ve gotten some standards lowered. There are quite a few of them, but one in particular stands out—there used to be a regulation that medications used for children had to be specifically tested in a way for pediatrics. The pharma companies balked at this, saying why couldn’t they just use their adult tests and lower the dosages for children? Push and pull, lobby, lobby, lobby, and lo and behold it did come to be that for certain drugs there is no need any more to test them specifically for pediatric use. You can just assume that children are smaller adults in their metabolism of drug X and give them lower doses. It’s asinine. And dangerous. So, the problem doesn’t lie in the FDA itself, but rather who is governing it at any given time and how whorey they are with the lobbyists. It’s hard to tell with these drugs which were passed through on more lax standards and which were honest mistakes unless you have some in with the pharma companies and hear the gossip. But, it shouldn’t be that way, we should just be able to trust that ALL errors are human errors and not because of lacking guidelines. However, my husband still believes above all else that for now, the drugs researched in the US are still far superior to any developed in other countries, because the FDA is still superior to any of the other drug regulation organizations. Which is why he, at least, is still in favor of having imported drugs go through FDA regulations before being sold here (which is a whole ‘nuther ball of wax).

    The final thing I need to address is Jess’s blog entry. I know that there haven’t been any conclusive studies indicating a link of the MMR to autism, but like I’ve said so many times over, there’s been so much smoke around that topic that I’m just wary. If there had been a positive history to follow—if there was a trend where there has been controversy surrounding a vaccine and then it was found out, time and time again, that there had been no problem with the vaccine, then I’d feel better about it. But, that hasn’t been the case. Time and time again, vaccines were pulled or changed because it turns out there WAS a problem. Liz will be 3 in April and that’s when she’ll get the MMR. I am not an anti-vaxer, I am a cautious vaxer.

    The other thing about vaccines is that while you ridicule “group think” in regards to not vaccinating, the whole vaccination concept is based upon groups. Herd immunity is huge in preventing the outbreak of these diseases. And vaccines are developed and studied on a global scale. Individuals have no place in the vaccine scheme. It’s all about controlling diseases within populations. Which is good, it’s how it needs to be with something like this. But in a “group think” like that, individual casualties fall to the side. I can’t demand that the government or the medical community take only MY child into concern when they’re dealing with these things, but I can demand it of myself. I am my child’s advocate and therefore I need to research these things and determine for my own child whether receiving this vaccine at this point in time is in his or her best interest. Everyone has that right and that’s something that’s so far been wonderful about this country. The right to make these choices for ourselves. That’s what’s worth fighting for, and right now that threat does not come from Al Qaeda or Iraq, but from our own government which is currently way too influenced by the greed of big corporations.

  • colette

    My husband works for a major major steel company. In fact the owner had his daughters wedding in Versi(hope i spelled it right). We have been notified that through our companies pharmacitical benifit we can no longer take our perscriptions to Walgreens since when they negotiated a new contract and could not come to a understanding. When infact the Steel company has major shares in the pharmacital company that owns CVS. There for from now on we can not go to walgreens unless we pay for the script totally. Now i have transfered 20 script, not one has sucessfully transfered yet. Soon the steel company will also own the doctors that write the script,along with already owning the drug store we can go to. This is all a very slippery slope we are heading with a monopoly either it being the goverment owning everyone or major companies owning everything. Who is watching big brother who is allowing and getting thier palms greased. All i can say is that the best thing we can do is to educate ourselves on how they keep the monopoly and write/call our representives and tell everyone that will listen because it will not stop there. I personally shopped at walgreens because i do not like to have to swipe a care card so that big brother knows what i buy and when. The price at walgreens is the price nobody having a paper trail on what i buy unlike CVS and to recieve the sale price you have to swipe a care card with all your information on it.(just my two cents)

  • http://none AVet-that-wasted-25years

    Rita
    Thank you for your imput…your imput iz very vaulable…
    Im thankful ya husband still has a job..not alot does anymore in his feild…i know of 3 that had to move to other countrys just cuz the companys can get someone younger and cheaper for the same work…These companys dont look at the value of experiance anymore…they only look at profit n loss…i know from experiance first hand…to replace someone with experiance sometimes takes 3 or 4 replacements…where iz the profit in that?

    To address ya thoughts on FDA
    Im not saying ya husband is involved with this…im hopeing n praying hes one of the honest ones still around
    I know of one member of the FDA was given a 3.5 million dollar home by a cousin….with future diggin…turns out that cousin worked for a phamicutical company….ummmm…i didnt dig no futher…that said enough to me…
    To set the record straight…i dont take anyones word for anything…i reseach into things myself….not with just the resources someone gives me…but i digg deeper n deeper…sometimes it has got me into trouble…lol…but thats another story…lol

    For 25 years i fought first hand in battlefeilds n assignments that wish on no one…just for freedom for Americans..i been in 9 peace keepin missions n 3 wars..Iraq parts one n two…n also Afganistan…i was wounded in Iraq in Novenber 2006 n forced into retirement…over a defective bullit proof vest…(im just thankful it was me that found the vest n not any assigned under me)..i know from experiance that certain companys are only in business for profits…not for welfare of anyone..

    Im also glad to see a mother who stands up for some of the rights myself n Others fought n Died for…I put many of young men n womeen into body bags for those rights…please keep standing up for them…You are the very reason i fought for those rights..THANK YOU
    I encouage you n others to get out n VOTE to help block these Elected officials n Lobbyest that only wants profits n not looking out for the wealfare of our Children…
    Once again…Thank you for your imput…I will keep you n your family in my Redneck Prayers

  • http://none AVet-that-wasted-25years

    colette
    Thank you also for your imput
    Writeing and calling your elected officials iz not enough…they will do what ever they want…untill their job iz jeperdized..YOU n OTHERS must get out n vote…ask these Elected officials questions where they stand on the Welfare of you and your family…
    I have been escorted out of open public forums for asking questions that put these elected officials on the spot…lol…once i wuz even arrested…but once the news media found out why i was arrested…the charges was droped fast..I believe in Free Speech…Sometimes i dont aggee with it but that iz one of the rights i fought for..
    I encourage you n others to get out n ask questions n Vote for the ones who will look out for you the Voters n not just to line their own pockets…
    Again…Thank you for your imput

  • colette

    AVET: off the subject, I want to thank you for your service. My husband is retired Navy and my oldest son enlisted and is now classified as NSW and going to keep testing for Navy Seal. I hate war…but i support our military. My 5 year old saw a Marine at the mall over christmas and she knew enough about the uniform to go up to him and she tugged on his dress blues, and told him “thank you for helping keep me safe at night” He was socked that she said it. I have four children three where born during active duty and my “surprise” was my civilian baby. I am very very proud my husband served and am proud that my son wants to too. Though he is very lucky and know one thinks i should “encourage” it. I did not encourge anything i just stand behind and encourge him to be the best he can at anything he choose too. He and the rest of my kids all have trust funds for college and for the rest of thier lives but this was not a case of a kid that couldnt or wouldnt go to college. Again, thank you so much for your service!! :)

  • http://none AVet-that-wasted-25years

    colette
    ya very welcome…n tell ya husband n ya boy thanks for their service.
    Like ya…i dont like War…not for the reasons they are sayin…
    It iz very sad that Vets risked their lives n put many of good soldors on body bags just to come home to a currupt system…At this very moment they are cuttin back more n more benifitts that us vets has fought for…i live outside the USA right now…i recieved a letter from the VA that stated…if im retirein outside the USA then i will lose my check come march 1st 2008…I fought for freedom…but i dont have the freedom to live where i want..
    At the same time the FAT CAT politicians has dugg deeper into americans pockets n gave themselfs a raise..
    WHY?
    Cuz Americans went to sleep n didnt vote in someone who looks out for the average American…Just themselfs..
    Im so sick of the system the way it iz…alot has changed over 25 years…but i think im intittled to a few freedoms i fought for n lots of my buddys died for…
    I can tell ya lots about the system…yall dont even know about…but believe me…BIG BROTHER iz closer then ya think..
    YALL GIT OUT N VOTE…or ya husband will lose alot of hiz benifitts

  • friend

    Can some one please tell me the purpose of the high levels of aluminum in the MMR vacine…and isn’t the aluminum that is theorized to be linked to autism???

  • SB

    Well, I saw a report on my morning news awhile saying that reseachers had discovered a missing protein in the brains of those with autism and other brain disorders. But that is all I heard, I don’t know any of the details. Don’t know what has come of that research.

    And an FYI, right now where I live we are in the middle of a measles outbreak.

  • friend

    And we have pertussis here….lots of polygamy families in Colorado City/Hildale, do not vacinate….puts alot of people at risk…and I wonder about all the FLDS kids in Texas who have been sent into foster care…I wonder if the state will enforce vacinating???

  • Queen Bee

    I think if you look hard enough, long enough, and skeptically enough at anything you can find flaws or theories to perpetuate what you want to prove. I am of the vaccine generation, I vaccinate my children. Do I 100% trust that what is going into their bodies (or what went into mine) has absolutely no retributions? No. However, if I lost my child due to the outbreaks of resurfacing viruses that are beginning to regenerate thanks to the crop of non-vax families and world travel I could not go back and change my decision.

    The thing is that we have been so distanced from these illnesses for so long we forget how destructive and lethal they really are. It’s the countries, ‘it won’t happen to us’ mentality that gives people the comfort to take the risk. Why are we vaccinating in third world countries? We used to be safely contained from the threats of the greater world, but guess what those third world countries are now at our back door. Look at avian flu, or SARS. We could have contained it to a large extent faster and more effectively had it not been for people traveling overseas to visit family or do business carrying back the bulk of the infection.

    Anything related to government or business is up for scrutiny, but the viruses are real, the threat is real, and that’s what I use as my guide. You know what’s really interesting, how many people won’t vaccinate their children but will go and have botox (a weakened strain of botulism) pumped into their face in the name of beauty. It’s crazy ass backwards.

    I have no idea what the future holds for my children as a result of their immunizations (hopefully nothing but protection) but I do know I have done everything I could with the information I had at the time to protect their lives.

    I wonder, if we had a massive pandemic flu or virus outbreak that was killing millions of people (or even thousands) if the non vax community would want to wait a few years for conclusive proof that the vaccine created to fight the disease was completely safe or if they would be first in line with their sleeve rolled up? Just a thought.

  • friend

    [quote comment="160677"]I think if you look hard enough, long enough, and skeptically enough at anything you can find flaws or theories to perpetuate what you want to prove. I am of the vaccine generation, I vaccinate my children. Do I 100% trust that what is going into their bodies (or what went into mine) has absolutely no retributions? No. However, if I lost my child due to the outbreaks of resurfacing viruses that are beginning to regenerate thanks to the crop of non-vax families and world travel I could not go back and change my decision.

    The thing is that we have been so distanced from these illnesses for so long we forget how destructive and lethal they really are. It’s the countries, ‘it won’t happen to us’ mentality that gives people the comfort to take the risk. Why are we vaccinating in third world countries? We used to be safely contained from the threats of the greater world, but guess what those third world countries are now at our back door. Look at avian flu, or SARS. We could have contained it to a large extent faster and more effectively had it not been for people traveling overseas to visit family or do business carrying back the bulk of the infection.

    Anything related to government or business is up for scrutiny, but the viruses are real, the threat is real, and that’s what I use as my guide. You know what’s really interesting, how many people won’t vaccinate their children but will go and have botox (a weakened strain of botulism) pumped into their face in the name of beauty. It’s crazy ass backwards.

    I have no idea what the future holds for my children as a result of their immunizations (hopefully nothing but protection) but I do know I have done everything I could with the information I had at the time to protect their lives.

    I wonder, if we had a massive pandemic flu or virus outbreak that was killing millions of people (or even thousands) if the non vax community would want to wait a few years for conclusive proof that the vaccine created to fight the disease was completely safe or if they would be first in line with their sleeve rolled up? Just a thought.[/quote]

    Hey, I agree…..completely….I am Pro vacine….I have a friend who is a new mom, and she is bringing some new info to me that I was unaware of….2 sides to this….and I too am skeptical of what goes in them exactly.

    Is there a higher incident of ADHD, dyslexia, autism etc…because of vacines….or are we just more aware and are able to diagnosis these disorders more so now…..we know that virtually everything we ingest, is harmful in one way or another. I just can’t worry about everything. I pick the big ones, and carry on.

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