22981. linda in nm

June 27, 2009 @ 12:37 am

Thanks for the heads up, Summer. I saw a few other sites similar to this one and I left a message on the csm. I wrote an e-mail to Zondervan and have received an auto response to be followed by another one, unless they are lying.

I have been following the popularity of both of Kate’s books on the New York Times Bestseller List. MB did a whole lot better than 8LF.

I have also been following Amazon.com. They have several interesting blogs on Kate’s literary expertise and some very vocal bloggers. Just go to Amazon.com and enter Multiple Blessings. I have to control myself because each time I go there I find myself buying more books. I have a huge list of Save for Later books and each time I put together combinations to equal #25 which means FREE shipping.

I am going to be persistent with Zondervan and my hope is that they will not publish this book — ever!

22982. linda in nm

June 27, 2009 @ 12:40 am

Valerie, remember the road trip to WDW? I think the tups were 3 at the time. I remember Jon saying that he was sleeping in another room by himself because he needed the sleep. I thought that kind of strange.

22983. linda in nm

June 27, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Mully, I get what you are saying but he IS her bodyguard as you are saying. How can he guard her from down the hall? What would happen if someone tried to get to her in her room? Scary for poor Kate. She just has to have her bodyguard guarding her at all times. I hate to admit it but I spend way too much time watching tv about J/K and surfing the net. There have been multiple implications by any of the nine or ten shows that have J/K in their crosshairs stating that so and so saw Kate and Steve holding hands. The most recent ones I heard were in NC as well as Michigan where she had some particularly nasty confrontations with her followers.

22984. mully

June 27, 2009 @ 3:31 am

Linda: Im not arguing that the possibility exists that Kate and Steve are more than employer/employee.

All that I am saying is that there isnt any glaring evidence, as there was with Jon and Deanna, to substantiate more than just idle speculation and I think there is more than enough “dirt” on Kate in so many other areas that is actually factual, that we dont need to add to it until there’s real proof.

22985. SummerFun

June 27, 2009 @ 8:52 am

Mully said:

All that I am saying is that there isnt any glaring evidence, as there was with Jon and Deanna, to substantiate more than just idle speculation and I think there is more than enough “dirt” on Kate in so many other areas that is actually factual, that we dont need to add to it until there’s real proof.

I agree. And who knows, there might be “proof” in the future. Photos might emerge — someone somewhere on one of the trips might have taken pictures, evidence…maids, bartenders, other hotel employees, anti-Kate people! However, until then, it is pure conjecture that TLC booked an extra hotel room and he never slept in it, or that they shared a room.

How can he guard her from down the hall?

Does a bodyguard sleep in the same room with Obama and the First Lady? He is stationed outside the door, as far as I know, or if it’s a suite, quite possibly in the adjoining room. One of my father’s best friends was a bodyguard (secret service) to both Truman and Roosevelt. He never slept in the same room with them. In those days, the SS stayed in rooms down the hall (both in the White House and on trips). Truman loved to sneak outside at all hours, which sent security scurrying because they couldn’t find him. I always wondered if Roosevelt’s “friend,” Lucy Mercer, was part of their guarding duties, and how that was arranged.

But, I digress. I would think that Kate stays in upscale hotels on her trips, ones with cameras, security, triple locks, etc…so much so that he wouldn’t need to be with her around the clock. We just don’t know. Wouldn’t you think that by this time the paps would have gotten some kind of “low down” on their relationship, if there is one? They seem to be everywhere else! I’m not saying that there isn’t one or wasn’t one in the past — nothing to substantiate it has surfaced yet.

I think it’s interesting, though, that if he were “guarding” her round the clock, his wife wouldn’t have some questions about it. It would take an enormous amount of trust on her part. Has anyone heard anything regarding comments from her — whether they are separated/divorced/why he has the same address as Kate?

22986. mully

June 27, 2009 @ 9:49 am

I havent heard a thing, but I do agree that it seems strange that the tabloids have written about there being an affair, but nothing to actually back it up. As you said, Summer, with all the other dirt they manage to dig up on everything from divorce documents to what Kate supposedly told her kids, you would think that if S&K were doing the horizontal mambo, SOMEONE would have more than just an allegation that they are.

I also think its interesting that those rumors surfaced right around the same time the you know what hit the fan aobut Jon and his liasons and then it seems we have heard nothing else.

Maybe Im just not “in the know” but I havent heard anything lately about Kate and Steve other than us talking about it here.

22987. Patty

June 27, 2009 @ 1:22 pm

Apparently, Leah wasn’t the only one who incurred (or was about to) Kate’s wrath that day. Paragraph 5…”Caught on camera spanking…”

http://realitytvmagazine.sheknows.com/blog/2009/06/26/jon-kate-plus-8-kate-gosselin-breaks-down/

22988. linda in nm

June 27, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

Mully, Summer — I think Kate has a greater opportunity for discretion and not being fodder for the tabloids as far as Steve is concerned.

While Kate might be parading around in the front of the house by herself, Steve could very well be lounging by the pool out of sight of the paps. It would be easy for Steve to slip in and out of the house in dark tinted car/van/delivery truck, etc. Many hotels have adjoining rooms. How do we know that their rooms are reserved adjoining and that they have their privacy that way?

I definitely feel that Kate from her past history is doing the horizontal mambo. I bet you anything that they slept together in that large beach house in NC.

I, along with most of the civilized world, find Kate despicable. There is no way that I would want her life. Sometimes I girl just has to slum it and pull her hair back in a ponytail and chill out. Kate is at the point now that she must always style her hair, make sure her nails are perfect and dress to the nines.

When I used to travel with my husband and even after his death, we always stayed in Sheratons, Marriots, Hyatts, Hiltons, etc. It was awful being away on vacation and having to dress up to walk through the lobby to the beach. Now, I really prefer the smaller, less formal hotels. It is way more relaxing. Kate has got to be so stressed out on all levels.

22989. linda in nm

June 27, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

PJ, I am just running through old e-mails that came in when my computer was in the shop waiting for a new battery. I had over a thousand to read and am down to the last hundred or so.

You mentioned that it was strange that in all the years of the show we never saw them spank a child. Well, the photos of the spanking were not TLC photos. They were taken by paps with long lenses outside the compound gates.

If Kate wants to get violent she should learn to do it in private. I just hope that she doesn’t seriously injure one of the kids.

22990. PJ

June 27, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Hi all, and Linda I believe the point I was trying to make is, if she is a spanker, and she claims to be “what you see”, then they would have been spanked and we would have seen it on camera, day in or day out.. the children, don’t behave just for the cameras..and then oh my all of a sudden, cameras off and they become little monsters to spank behind closed doors.. Yes I know that some one other than TLC got that photo or series of, however she knows they hang out and about… My point and will continue to be, is ( and I don’t care who of you spanked your children I am sure they all turned out great!) I don’t believe in spanking a child period, well hitting a child is what it should be called, it may appear to help at the moment but in time it can leave emotional scares. I did say CAN.. not in all cases, but you take a sensitive child it can, and there are six here we are talking about, and can point out at least a couple maybe more sensitive than the others. I just honestly believe, you can talk to a child and get your point across, I don’t care if they are very very little, have done it, I know it works! My first child I spanked, won’t go into it, however the other two sons no I didn’t and just let me say things are different between them. There is plenty of literature that supports what I say also.. In the case of Kate spanking her daughter, hey she shouldn’t be concerned if that is her method of dealing with her children, however, you can’t stay behind close doors twenty four seven, you will be seen, so she has to deal with the consequences of any thing she does…

22991. SummerFun

June 27, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

While Kate might be parading around in the front of the house by herself, Steve could very well be lounging by the pool out of sight of the paps. It would be easy for Steve to slip in and out of the house in dark tinted car/van/delivery truck, etc. Many hotels have adjoining rooms. How do we know that their rooms are reserved adjoining and that they have their privacy that way?

I definitely feel that Kate from her past history is doing the horizontal mambo. I bet you anything that they slept together in that large beach house in NC.

Geez, Linda, no offense, but I’d hate to be a defendant with you as a member of the jury! You wouldn’t need proof to decide a case — just your own assumptions!

If Kate wants to get violent she should learn to do it in private.

I guess I don’t understand this statement. Violence in private is okay…just as long as it’s not being done in front of the paps? What happens if the kids are INSIDE when a tirade takes place? I would hope that a nanny is around at all times. I am afraid that Kate is going to have a breakdown in the near future.

When I used to travel with my husband and even after his death, we always stayed in Sheratons, Marriots, Hyatts, Hiltons, etc. It was awful being away on vacation and having to dress up to walk through the lobby to the beach.

I was telling my children last week (while we were on vacation) that when I was young, we always stayed at the same hotel each summer. There was a sign in the lobby: “After 6 p.m. ladies do not wear shorts. They wear cocktail dresses. Gentlemen wear coats and ties.” A security person always stood there, and if the dress code was not adherred to, he ushered you to the side entrance of the hotel so you could go to your room to dress accordingly! There was a Surf Club elevator that took guests directly from their rooms to the ground level at the beach so that nobody ever, under any circumstances, walked through the lobby or any part of the hotel in swimwear.
My kids didn’t believe it until I dug out a photo of the lobby and the sign. I can actually remember my father sitting in our cabana on the beach, wearing long pants, a white dress shirt and tie, reading the Wall Street Journal!

Dylan was right — the times, they are a’changin’!

22992. SusieQ

June 27, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Patty, I had read that article before — I think it appeared in Us or In Touch magazines, but I got the impression that they were referring to the spanking that Leah received AND the clip where Kate drank water in front of Maddy. During the clip, Kate tells Mady (I believe it was Maddy and not one of the tups) that she’s going to get a spanking when she gets home. Maybe I misinterpreted the article, but that’s the impression I got — not that Kate had threatened to spank anyone else that day she spanked Leah.

22993. Valerie

June 27, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Summer, I’m with you. As much as I dislike Kate, I have not been convinced that she is or was having an affair with Steve. It is all hearsay and rumor and yes, assumptions. I don’t even know if Jon actually had an affair. I don’t think that Deanna’s brother is a very credible witness. Until there is solid evidence or one of them admits to it, I am not going to assume that either one is guilty.

22994. mully

June 27, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

I, along with most of the civilized world, find Kate despicable.

Linda: I think most of us here have long agreed that we all find Kate despicable.

Does that mean she’s sleeping with her bodyguard? As I said before, it might, it might not, but that isnt decided by her overall obnoxious behavior.

Ive known a fair amount of women who were the nicest people you would ever want to meet and they had affairs, so by its very definition, being despicable, doesnt necessarily lend itself to becoming an adultress.

And Im with Summer on this one and I too, dont mean to be rude, but geeze, I wouldnt want any circumstantial appearances or whether or not Im nice or nasty to be the way someone would judge me if my fidelity were in question.

I would hope that actual proof would be what most people would be looking for.

22995. SummerFun

June 27, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

Mully:

Just thinking about you as I sprinked the rosemary on my potatoes and hummed, “parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme!”
How long do you bake these little suckers? I was just going by the fork method!
I’m doing the apricot chops tonight instead of the teriyaki ones…I’m drooling!

22996. Valerie

June 27, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Summer, I usually bake them about 20 mins. or so. It depends on how small or large you cut them. I think Mully mentioned that she puts them under the broiler at some point. I’m the fork method will work fine. That is how I usually test them anyway.

Dinner sounds good - mind if I pop in.

22997. mully

June 27, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Im probably going to take A LOT of flak for this post, but I have been a regular on this blog for almost a year now and I have seen Kate supporters as well as Kate protractors come and go. For the most part the people who remain here are those of us who have said repeatedly that while we find Kate a poor example for a mother and wife and Jon a passive, weak punching bag for Kate, our major concern has been and still remains the 8 children in this family.

I dont like Kate. I never have. From the very first time I watched this show, I found myself disliking her and while I liked Jon better, I thought, as most of us have, that he was weak willed and more than a little bit passive.

I had a problem with posters who came here and seemed blindsided by Kate and her charms. I vehemently debated with many of them and asked how it was that so many of us could see one Kate and so many of them saw another Kate. Over the past year there have been many heated debates about this. I came to the conclusion that there are people out there who, for various reasons (none of which are important enough to go into) are willing to focus more on whatever good they can find in someone, rather than the bad, no matter how bad that might be.

It irked me however, because I honestly felt and still do feel, that Kate Gosselin is heading for serious problems and I dont give a rats ass about her, but those 8 kids are going along for the ride.

Anyway, I digress. My point is this: I have always tried to be very fair about my judgement of the Gosselins. I dont like reading every, single tabloid about every, single thing they do. I have tried hard not to judge her based on her stupid hair but more on what I saw week after week on the show. If something “seems” to be accurate, such as pictures of Jon Gosselin with other women, naturally, my suspicions are raised and I, just like most of us, will probably get in line and think the worst, but even then I sometimes question myself and honestly have to say that its better to wait and pass judgement once the jury is really in.

Most of the time, I listened to Kate herself and formed my opinions of her and to a lesser extent, Jon as well.

At the end of the day, judging Kate and Jon should be about what they have presented to the world from either their show or their very own mouths. Lets face it. There has been more than enough from both sources for the public to form fairly negative opinions of both of them.

We should be better than gossip rag mags and tabloid talk shows whose only motive is more readership or higher ratings.

I dont like judging, even someone as wholly obnoxious as Kate Gosselin, on ANYTHING, simply because I dont like her.

I dont like a lot of things, a lot of people, but I try not to jump to conclusions based on my dislike of them personally.

I have said this. Stacey has said this. Summer has said this. Val and many more Im pretty sure: Kate Gosselin is her own worst enemy. She does enough, says enough, shows us enough to more than cement our opinions of her.

Could we please stick to the facts, of which there are many, when we are judging her and lets not burn her in effigy simply because we find her unlikable?

22998. mully

June 27, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

Summer:

About 20 minutes is right..Thank you Val!

I do turn the broiler on for a few minutes at the end of the cooking time just to crisp them a bit.

Im starving. Val and I will be there in a few!

22999. SummerFun

June 27, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Dinner sounds good - mind if I pop in.

It’s about a 16-hour drive for you, Valerie, I think…but you are more than welcome! I’m just not sure my cooking is worth the torture of driving through five states to get here! We’re having gorgeous weather, though…fabulous! Warm sun, and a cool breeze!

Mully — I think you’re going to beat Valerie here by several hours, so we’ll just chill and make some Margaritas and Black Russians!

I remember during the Disney episode, after Kate had gotten her hair cut and confronted Jon at the van about getting home because she was exhausted. I posted then, and asked what she would do if she were a single mom, and heaven forbid, if Jon wasn’t there to pump her gas and take out the trash. She took him for granted and I thought at the time that one of these days he wouldn’t be around for her to wipe her feet upon. I said that she would have a rude awakening in the event that he decides he’s had enough.

I was skimming through the Touch magazine at the grocery store today. Kate looks pitiful. I think the rude awakening is at hand.

23000. mully

June 27, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

I saw the same magazine at the grocery today too Summer.

She did look pitiful and very much like a beaten woman.

23001. Lynda

June 27, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

SummerFun said:
June 26, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

This “separated for two years” really has everyone buzzing. According to PA law, this does not necessarily mean that they are living in a different residence, the way we usually think of a couple being separated. PA has no separation requirement in order to obtain a divorce. If one claims to have been living “separate and apart” is means that they have not lived together as man and wife. They could still be living at the same address and maintain that they lived “separate and apart.”

That was exactly my point. I’m pretty sure they didn’t live in separate residences, just didn’t live as man and wife. I don’t know, I’m just stating what was on the initial filing by Kate. My point being, that if they weren’t sleeping in the same room, I think it quite possible that TLC would be “on to that”. IF that were the case that they did sleep apart and if TLC knew it, then that to me would be fraud, since the premise of the show was a loving couple, and their trials of trying to raise 8 kids, etc. And, if PA has no separation requirement, why would Kate put that on the filing? In those two sentences above that I italicized, it almost seems like they conflict. In other words, reading what you just posted, you’re quoting what PA law states regarding what separation is, but then you say PA has no separation requirement in order to obtain a divorce.

23002. SummerFun

June 27, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

And, if PA has no separation requirement, why would Kate put that on the filing?

That’s correct. It’s confusing, I know. In order for a divorce to be obtained in PA, there is no “legal separation” requirement as in other states. A plaintiff does not appear before a divorce judge to apply for a legal separation. Kate filed a complaint for a no-fault divorce ruling, which is the easiest way to obtain a divorce, IF BOTH PARTIES AGREE. A plaintiff may file for a no-fault divorce, but that doesn’t mean that the defendant goes along with it. The “language” on the divorce agreement she filed is just standard “boilerplate” language that appears in every no-fault divorce complaint. The reason she checked the separation box is in case he contests the divorce…then she can say that they lived “separate and apart” (not living together as man and wife). It’s to protect herself. It’s not “legal separation” in the way that some states require.

From PA divorce law:

“No-Fault grounds include:
(1) Irretrievable breakdown of the marriage with the spouses living separate and apart without cohabitation for two years;
(2) irretrievable breakdown of the marriage and the spouses have both filed affidavits they consent to the divorce, and 90 days have elapsed from the date of filing. “Separate and apart” means complete cessation of any and all cohabitation, whether living in the same residence or not, according to Pennsylvania divorce law.”

“No-Fault” grounds are the most straightforward and easiest to prove.

Technically, there is no such thing as a “legal separation” in Pennsylvania. Separation for legal purposes means that one spouse conveys the intent to the other that he or she no longer desires to remain married. That intent may be conveyed in a number of ways including by filing a divorce complaint or by one spouse vacating the marital residence without an intent to return. In some circumstances, parties can be separated while residing in the same household.

In some situations, the spouse that does not consent to the entry of a divorce decree can stall the entry of the decree for up to two years from the date of separation of the parties. However, after the expiration of two years from the date of separation, either spouse can proceed to obtain the divorce decree.

23003. Lynda

June 27, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

PJ said:
June 27, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Hi all, and Linda I believe the point I was trying to make is, if she is a spanker, and she claims to be “what you see”, then they would have been spanked and we would have seen it on camera, day in or day out..

Not if it was edited out PJ. J&K have already stated they spank the kids. I believe TLC chose to not show that, for obvious reasons.

mully said:
June 26, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

Again, Linda, I think its a stretch for you to assume, that just because Steve was with her on all of these speaking engagements that it indicates she was or is having an affair with him.

I thought that’s what you and I were “hinting” at when we commented a couple of times that Kate said how “she doesn’t want to be alone” and how, out of the blue, Steve will go from being a friend to a boyfriend, etc. Page 760 Post #22774, isn’t that what we were both talking about? I know I was! LOL

I have to agree w/Linda on the statement that Kate does have the opportunity to be more discreet, since she and Steve stay in an upscale hotel that I’m sure is somewhat “guarded” and doesn’t allow paps or photographers to roam the halls. Not to mention, they’d have no way of knowing what floor they were on, much less the hall or room. I do happen to believe that Kate had a few goes w/Steve. If he had a room next to her, or down the hall, how hard is it to sneak to the others room at 1 or 2 in the morning? I don’t believe it will come up during the course of the divorce, as I think both of them most likely cheated. I still think there’s a reason she did her whole exercise regimen, clothes restyling, etc. last fall. And of course, most recently, her boob job!

23004. PJ

June 27, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

Lauren…. are you anywhere out there!!! Hope your feeling good and all is well…. take care..

23005. PJ

June 27, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

To all here, I just want to say again thanks for letting me post! Excepting me for who I am or what I say!!! Your a great group of people, and I admire your many qualities, and insight!! It never ceases to amaze me what is around the next corner of life!! If it be we share a recipe or just chat about the day, or seems deeper things as reality shows..( we are dealing real there). You know in the end of things, when we meet our maker, each and everyone of us.. individually have to answer for what we say or do here on this earth. If anyone here doesn’t believe sorry for making that statement. However if you believe..to my estimation that kind of means, we have to have an open mind a bit, but follow the rules, I am not God nor is anyone else here.. When I was young my mother repeatedly watched the soaps… oh my well forgive me if any of you do! However, when I married and left home I found that the soaps were controlling me too! lol, so I stopped it and guess what.. I tuned in 5 or 10 years later, and they were having the same issues… the moral to this is, life is going to have its way.. no matter how we struggle to change things, some we can and some we can’t, we again only can speculate… unless you go to PA in the case of Jon and Kate, and represent one of them.. getting in the mix of it.. or become Paparazzi, ( to hot anywhere for that, weather wise, I cannot not survive living in a tent not now )!!!
So…hmmm were do we go from here? Ban together, make a huge, and march in front of Kate’s… ( now her home) home or take bets!!!! Just teasing on some of this towards the end but not in total, you figure out what parts I mean!!! Hugs to all !!!!!!!

23006. SummerFun

June 27, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

Hi all, and Linda I believe the point I was trying to make is, if she is a spanker, and she claims to be “what you see”, then they would have been spanked and we would have seen it on camera, day in or day out..

And risk CPS storming their house each time a spanking episode was shown? No way!

Not to mention, they’d have no way of knowing what floor they were on, much less the hall or room.

Yes, they do. From experience, I know that the paps have no problem finding out the location of a room, or the assumed ID that he/she chooses upon registration. Any slick member of the press is going to get it, one way or the other — they have contacts and “leaks” at the hotels.

23007. PJ

June 27, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

Lynda I know that!!!! If they did that, it might be against the rules!!! You nor I know if a child was hurt TLC could be in big trouble in the future if they hide that kind of information in editing:) Truly! Things will come out of this that a lot of people don’t think will… unless they pay off like Michael Jackson or others have done in the past! Just something to think about…

23008. PJ

June 27, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

Wow you all finally starting reading the PA Laws !!! That is great!!!

23009. PJ

June 27, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

You all can eat at my words.. its ok… I believe in what I say!! Maybe some of you do also.. but what I have said above this message, that I truly love posting here, and sparking maybe things, its ok.. you see the bottom line is…. We really don’t know!!!! None of us….that is the bottom line, unless as Mully said before and I have said… Facts.. only the way!!! Otherwise you have mere speculation… My statement about spankings, I am sure in my heart of hearts they have gone on, and probably for a long long time, once they were asked ” How do they know to just go to time out” the response, ” they just know” I DON’T THINK SO… so if TLC is covering up,, they may be in trouble, not to say true but possible, we don’t know if any of them were ever hurt beyond the emotional aspect, but could have been worse than that, a bruise or etc! I remember seeing them hmm about 3 years of age, when the parents yelled, and at one of them, and the child covered their FACE.. what does that tell you ??? I know already, cause it happened to me!!!
Children cannot make things up like that… however as I have said, we cannot change it.. how?? as I said unless we go there and witness for our selves!

23010. PJ

June 27, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

The attorneys have enough evidence to do what is needed, in any case this will play out in the way they all decide, none of us have a choice to change it.