Jon and Kate plus 8
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October 29, 2007 at
1:13 pm by
Jessica
If you haven’t caught an episode of TLC/Discovery Health’s “Jon and Kate plus 8“, it just may give you a little solace in the hardships of ones own parenting challenges. Jon (an IT Analyst) and Kate (a former nurse) Gosselin used in-vitro fertilization to help spawn 8 kids. One set are twins and the other six are from a subsequent litter.
Last season, I really liked the spunk coupled with the unconventional and imperfect parenting techniques used by Kate. Although she tended to run a tight ship, she was also human and threw political correctness to the wind when it came to the realities of having 6 toddlers and young twins only 4 years older than the sextuplets.
This season, I have to say, the reality parenting TV show has lost some of its charm with me. Although I enjoy, in a voyeuristic sort of way, watching parenting pained by temper tantrums and legal slavery by way of 6 more demanding children than I am left to deal with, I also have found Kate to be as bratty on occasion as her preschool broad.
In some ways Jon and Kate are very lucky. They have a cozy network of incredibly supportive family and friends who take and/or watch their children frequently. In the first couple of weeks of this season, I watched as Kate went to spa treatments, out to dinner with just her and her husband and plan a vacation by themselves in the Florida Keys. Personally, I know of very few 1.3 children families that are afforded so much free time as they are.
Another less than flattering observation I’ve made — Kate is not very nice to her husband Jon. While Jon is easy going and incredibly accommodating to his wifes idiosyncrasies, she is always snapping at him and making condescending remarks. Is it not enough that he spends all of his time at home helping with the children and goes to work on a daily basis to provide for his classroom of children and thus allowing Kate to be an “at-home mom”. Of course, I can’t imagine that 8 kids in childcare would be worth the effort of working outside of the home, but she always acts as if he is clueless and her life is so incredibly hard. Often times, she resorts to treating him like one of their toddlers.
One episode, Kate decided to hire a cleaning person. Through her exhaustive search, she finally settled on the one person who actually agreed to take the job on — so her prospects were limited. After the brave cleaning lady left, Kate then went around her house with imaginary white gloves, pointing out the hidden dust left behind. “Thanks for trying,” Kate said out loud, along with other rumbles of disappointment. The implication was that the cleaning woman was fired, not up to Kate’s high standards. Of course, you should get what you pay for, but cleaning after 6 toddlers and their bigger sisters, something is bound to get forgotten. Perhaps she should have cut the cleaning lady as much slack as she expects in return?
While Kate seems like a lot of fun and incredibly organized, it’s the little things — weird things — that seem to get her in a tizzy, like what shoes the older girls are going to wear to a carnival or if any of her family or friends puts her out by being one minute late. Sometimes you get the feeling that Kate is nothing more than a control freak, loving every challenge that comes her way, but at the same time, expecting others to reward her and recognize her for having it so tough, when in actuality, she really doesn’t. Sure, having 8 small children would drive the sanest person batty, it has also given them a much desired family and tv show. All in all, they have a pretty fortunate lifestyle.
As much as I like this show, I wish Kate would be less focused on herself and the indulgences of her children and complain less. Most families, even with less children, have their own unique challenges and have many other issues to deal with on top of it. Count your blessings Kate. You are not the first “over-worked” mother and you won’t be the last.
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22801. PJ
June 23, 2009 @ 6:27 pm
It would be communistic to suggest they are to have mandatory counseling, who knows in this world any more what fate will come, in this case don’t feel they would listen well… But life lessons will make them think..that is a given, they might not fess up to it but will happen, feelings will arise, there is no question in my mind of it.. none… Love you all, thank you for letting me post here as you have!!
22802. PJ
June 23, 2009 @ 6:35 pm
Summer, ohhh my … think they had their twins four years before all this hype.. think… yes a foundation was formed, I don’t care if they fought in early times.. they wouldn’t have wanted any others, if they didn’t in unison have the same mind set to have more! If you are correct Summer, then as I said it will play out!!!!!! and that is the same as I have said, they lost early on that foundation they formed…I am not arguing with anyone here and won’t just making statements I believe in and don’t reject anyone else from having one.. I don’t care if their foundation only lasted the four years prior to this show, doesn’t matter like I said the cards are dealt, they have to play them out now!! They have no choice now!
22803. Valerie
June 23, 2009 @ 6:51 pm
You know what - the media would soon get bored with Jon and Kate if they would stop playing to the paparazzi. They actually enjoy the attention. They ask for it.
22804. SummerFun
June 23, 2009 @ 6:56 pm
Do you know how and when all of this started — and why?
22805. Valerie
June 23, 2009 @ 7:03 pm
Jon has always said that he was happy with just the twins. Kate pushed for “one” more and Jon being the sap went along with her. I don’t think he was given much choice.
22806. stacey maureen
June 23, 2009 @ 7:06 pm
Just watched last night’s episode. Ok, first of all, Kate, please put a pair of socks or shoes on those feet! Must she have them propped up on the table-and the soles of her feet were dirty!! I mean, it looked like she was just out stomping around in the mud. Gross!! For someone who is a self-proclaimed OCD clean freak, I think not!
And then I liked when Jon was saying “the kids will stay in this house. We bought this house FOR the kids, etc”. Didn’t he mean that the kids really bought the house for THEM? Where did they get the money from? It came from the CHILDREN and the TV show that is on the air BECAUSE of these kids! I read somewhere that Jon was out looking at condos in NYC. WHAT?? Ok, that is just ridiculous. Why the hell would he be moving to NY??? To scar these kids even more? Hello?? Ok, so you want to divorce. It doesn’t mean he gets to go off footloose and fancy free now! He still HAS the 8 kids in his life. Does he think b/c he is getting away from Kate that he has less of a responsibility to be there for the family?
I didn’t buy the “poor me” sob story that Kate was feeding the viewers either. Oh she doesn’t want to be alone? Maybe you should have been a nicer person towards your husband and you wouldn’t find yourself in this situation. Suddenly, she is shocked that Jon doesn’t want to talk to her and is so angry with her. Well, since you pretty much humiliated him and bereted him on a daily basis–in public and at home, maybe he has just had enough. It is pretty sad that these kids are so young and already the parents are splitting up. But I am sure it won’t be long before we see Jon and his new girlfriend and then Kate with HER new boyfriend.
Oh and one more thing, I guess they didn’t pay for those crooked houses either?? I saw the kids wearing T-shirts advertising the company that made them. So I guess that was another freebie.
22807. PJ
June 23, 2009 @ 7:44 pm
Summer at this point does it matter, as I said they weren’t in this position before then and during the twins:) Do you really know in your heart and logic when it happened ?? Tell me show me if you do different?
They were not in these shoes before and during the twins… no I am not arguing nope just think.. no matter what you think nor I, this is going to play out.. promise that.. I cannot say what the end result will be, however with some life experience have a guess!!! Hugs to you Summer hope your vacation was wonderful!!!!
I agree with you Valerie, he loved her enough to try with her to hae one more, when they got that news, (6) more I bet that threw them for a loop, they had several months to thing about it! But, no one, not even us can imagine what took place there after in the coming home period, I can imagine though some confusion for both for sure! Any women goes through a rough time after pregnancy, hormones etc, to different degrees, doesn’t mean more children means more hormonal problems.. However as I said before we, if Kate wants this show to go on… see first hand many things we are not use to, only what we have in our lives to what ever extent, if nothing there then, for the first time here! So very sad but true :(:(
22808. Sandra Eberling
June 23, 2009 @ 7:51 pm
I think Jon and Kate need more mommy and Daddys days togather.Divorse isn’t the answer steping back looking at problems is.Forgiving one another is another answer.Put God and Jesus back into the marriage and relationship is the answer.
Cut down the show to one day or 2 days aweek have family time without the world looking on ty
22809. PJ
June 23, 2009 @ 7:52 pm
Hi Stacey:) The network has according to them, found him an apartment that they can interview him in..maybe with his children or not who knows really media is propaganda, even in war etc, it always has been!! Grrrrrr They play us honestly! Sad very very sad but true:(
22810. Kelly
June 23, 2009 @ 8:00 pm
While I agree with some of the comments, I amazed that most of the blogs are blaming Kate. First and foremost it take 2 to make and 2 to break a marriage. Anyone that has watched the show has seen Jon’s I don’t care attitude. I have only raised 2 kids, but someone has to be responsible and Jon didn’t seem to want to. His interviews & media coverage has shown him to be very selfish and immature (after all he is only 32????). I do agree that Kate is very demanding, outspoken and at times being bitchy but I can’t imagine raising 8 children with a spouse that seems to only be interested in the fun things with the kids and then allowing time for his motorcycles, snow boarding, surfing, spending time with his “friends”.
Jon needs to grow up and try working on his marriage and his family, before he goes out to play!!!!
22811. SummerFun
June 23, 2009 @ 8:03 pm
The last I heard is that they were “looking” for an apartment. Did they find one — did they give a location?
22812. PJ
June 23, 2009 @ 8:07 pm
Sandra, even before I came here, these ladies have said that for ages, maybe even you !!! I don’t know in comparison to me how long you have been here, however, they probably won’t do it and its more than likely because of Kate, she won’t let down right now.. she sees things she has never seen before….$$$$$ in her eyes.. its sad but true, I pray still they do what you say even to this moment.. However, not having twins, nor many at one time, have been married twice and I know the hurt that this can cause, and more so to my children,not only mine, but case studies as well, and in the case with this family the children, will suffer.. No matter how the parents tries to say it won’t , either parent, it will!!! Like I said, it will play out!! More so hurtful for these children than anyone, because of their exposure, and they still have to grow up, and carry baggage ( which I have spoke about before) from their parents…
22813. Lynda
June 23, 2009 @ 8:10 pm
ambull said:
June 22, 2009 @ 9:08 pm
Ambull, you really believe Kate wants to work it out? Kate is the master manipulator. It is my feeling that Kate was beginning to see the writing on the wall, that the tups would not only be in school this fall, full time, but also, they are losing that “baby” appeal. It would not surprise me AT all, if the gave Jon the heave ho for that reason (well, that and Steve). Once Jon dug his feet in about not wanting to continue the show (and I suspect, all along, he had concerns about it), Kate already had visions of doing a show alone, as the “poor, pathetic Kate, single mom to 8 (count ‘em, 8 kids).
Seriously, what could Jon do, Kate will always get her way. Jon didn’t have a snowballs chance in hell of making things right. She is selfish, greedy and were she really torn up about the health (poor) of her marriage, and subsequent divorce, she’d have stopped the show, and focused solely on her family. Kate is cold, and could care less that Jon is out of the picture. Just as she has w/everyone in her life, once they have served their purpose, they are gone!
As for “swapping” parents, that’s about the only thing they’ve done in this hideous mess, that actually seems the best for the kids, given the circumstances. After all, they did buy the house, it’s theirs.
Who isn’t for saving a marriage? Seriously, isn’t everyone? Jon saw another woman (women) because KATE gave him a contract back in Nov. (have you listened to Kevin & Jodi’s interviews) and said he could see other women, as long as he showed up for filming. Kate and Jon have not been together, in the biblical sense, for a longggg time. The man has been humiliated in front of millions of people, treated like a dog, has done everything he can to help Kate w/the kids, has put up w/HER for 10 yrs., and taken her crap, who wouldn’t be ready to be on their own somewhat. The only time the kids look happy, is when they are with their dad.
22814. PJ
June 23, 2009 @ 8:19 pm
I agree with you Lynda!!! Its very sad but so obvious …!!!! so true.
22815. luvs
June 23, 2009 @ 8:28 pm
Off topic (life goes on if J and K divorce or not) but I made these tonight! OMG!!! I realize that you need a very hot oven and you may want to wait until it cools down a bit…..such a hit…they’re also good to bring for pot lucks and you can boil the potatoes one day ahead.
http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/2008/06/crash-hot-potatoes/
22816. PJ
June 23, 2009 @ 8:58 pm
ohhh my gosh, Luvs, forgot to make me some dinner lol, thought something was wrong lol… oh my now my tummy is growling, they look yummy… thanks, will try it, hmm in the morning… smiles :):) are you pioneer women?? if so will send some utensils soon.. hmm by boat or air?? This is awesome!! Sorry you had to pick them up and eat with your hands ( just kidding)!!! I at least hope you didn’t have to!! night
22817. Debbie M.
June 23, 2009 @ 9:02 pm
First and foremost aren’t Kate and Jon both supposed to be grown adults whom have eight kids and are married? If thyey are neither of them are acting like it! They say “the kids come first” but Jon’s looking for an apt in NYC? Second of all I’m sure Jon knew Kate before they got married so he knew some of what she was like before all the kids. Third; Jon needs to grow up and keep it zipped up. Divorce first then other women your children are someday going to see all of this and realize that no matter the circumstances daddy cheated on mommy. What is that teaching your kids? And finally everyone knows who Jon and Kate are what kind of woman would be so nasty as to sleep with a man who is undeniably married with eight kids that”s just deplorable and dispicable.
22818. SummerFun
June 23, 2009 @ 9:19 pm
Was He ever in it?
22819. luvs
June 23, 2009 @ 9:39 pm
PJ - No, I didnt have to pick them up with my hands…they were so good..we never have leftovers.LOL!!
Watching ET right now…Kate walking with that ridiculous fishing hat and with a bodyguard…wth..does she need a bodyguard for? What a waste of money!!! Who is paying him? TLC is sure to dump them sure…why are they even paying for a bodyguard/ I thought he was for the children….ugh…I hate that woman!
They are saying Kate is pissed because Jon was outside signing autographs when Aaden fell and hurt his head. She is such a bitch….so this is why she had to hurry and file for divorce…this is all going to come back and bite her big time…mark my words!!!
22820. Lynda
June 23, 2009 @ 10:08 pm
luvs said:
June 23, 2009 @ 9:39 pm
Wasn’t she the one that couldn’t be bothered to leave an interview when, was it Joel, had to go to the ER not that long ago? I think she’ll try and throw Jon under the bus for smoking pot.
22821. iowafan
June 23, 2009 @ 10:13 pm
I watched some of the rerun tonight. I now think Jon comes off even more ignorant and unmotivated than I did before.
Hopefully TLC will be paying lifelong therapy bills for the children.
22822. PJ
June 23, 2009 @ 10:34 pm
Lynda….
take care going to bed… Luvs, didn’t mean to offend you .. sorry thought you needed silverware … smiles night also.. Has anyone seen Lauren.. if you do please tell her I hope all is ok.. again, and again, hugs and night :):) ohh shoot…almost forgot.. they can send me a bodyguard!!! Life in Jacksonville is getting very rough.. and hey I don’t have little ones anymore.. does that mean I am excluded ?? ( Just playing) Hugs to you all!!!!
22823. PJ
June 23, 2009 @ 10:58 pm
oops Summer, sorry yawning here not because of you had rough day.. and said my goodbyes… God is always in our lives..Jon and Kate claimed to be his children, going to church etc, however.. God knows the truth, he does..I believe that, what decisions he makes, none of us can say what is right or wrong.. only him.. We in our human form, living here and trying to do our best, praying maybe they will be ok…for me, can’t speak for most is, that is all I can follow, he told me to do so, to follow in his footsteps. I think 1st Corinthians, verse 13, 4-7 speaks to me in this situation, and has for many years.. Now… sorry going hugs again to all, night
22824. Stacey S_MOD
June 23, 2009 @ 10:58 pm
Hello P.J
This whole thing saddens me. It sooo did not have to come to this or in this way….I’m just at a loss for words
22825. luvs
June 23, 2009 @ 11:01 pm
I really don’t think that was pot Jon was smoking….I seriously think it was a cigarette, a tobacco one. One of the reasons I believe this is because nothing ever came of the photo and if it was pot Kate would have run with it sooooooo fast!!!!
22826. mully
June 23, 2009 @ 11:38 pm
I have to take exception with the above bolded comments.
Kelly: Have you watched the show for any length of time? If you had, you must have noticed how much “hands on” Jon was with all of the kids, and not just the fun things. I really cant see how you could call him irresponsible when it was Jon who daily brushed the kids teeth, ALL of the tups, teeth. Every night it was Jon who bathed the tups as well as washed their hair. That included Cara and Mady as well. He was also the one who got up in the morning with the twins to get them off to school, while Queen Kate slept in, because she just “isnt a morning person”.
How many mothers lay in bed on their fat asses while their husbands get up and get the kids off to school? Especially a mother who doesnt work outside the home.
Jon was also responsible for dressing the kids. Kate picked out the clothes, Jon had the fun task of dressing all of them.
Again. If you watched the show for any length of time, you would have noticed these things and therefore, I cant see how you could possibly say he wasnt responsible and in many cases, he certainly wasnt selfish. There were shows after shows, where Jon was working on some sort of project in the house, outside the house, but always at Kate’s commands and done to make her happy and to keep their lives running smoothly.
Jon was wrong in having an affair (IF he did). However, Im of the very strong belief that Kate has to answer for some of that responsibility. She was never a supportive, loving wife. Demanding you say? Oh hell yes, demanding for sure, but along with that she was also emasculating, controlling, spiteful, demeaning, and many times just downright mean.
Jon is dirty in this mess, no doubt, but please be fair about how you judge him. He was, by far, a much more hands on, caring parent, than Kate ever was.
22827. PJ
June 24, 2009 @ 7:14 am
Hi Stacey S. ( A bit late, now its morning!!!) I just got super tired last night and went to bed!!!!
I agree with Mully so much, about the paragraph she outlined, that someone wrote, doesn’t matter who etc. I do believe, its so easy for anyone to get lost in time… Even if someone watches the show, some live for the moment, and forget all past events…although maybe not the best way to approach things, especially in this case.. Mully your so right, that man worked his fingers to the bone, being Mr. Mom, even the the presence of a women WHO, was suppose to be the MOM, and he did it for several years, having at any moment to combat emotional, and physical drain, due to Kate’s demands!!! I feel strongly, that when he made that statement on national television of ” I feel I am in prison”, he was for many ways, in so many ways, not because of his children, but the Prison Warden, and you know of whom I speak!! I wanted sooooooo many times to reach in the television and pull her out, and give her a talking to. Several times, if the shoes he wore were placed on her feet then, years ago when the children were small, she might have experience a light bulb moment, that would make her think, gee that doesn’t feel good! However she may have just bought new shoes!! I know hurt first hand, and will tell you there is a period of time, you just give up for a bit, when you stop beating your head against a brick wall and get no where, you learn other ways to cope, or get on. I came out of it and assume, and hope, rather that Jon will also.. given time., and the Warden, given time might fall into prisoner mode as well at some point, I think at times she has already felt part of it, she looks at times extremely tired.. Hmm wonder why… We have been left short of information, and again we can thank the lovely media for that! However it stirs emotions in us, leaves us to have to think, what we can of the situation, with all the missing puzzle pieces, stolen/ withheld by the media, ( the ratings, ratings ratings $$$$ is all they see) its so hard to form a logical opinion that really comes to some concrete conclusion! We won’t be seeing any concrete solutions any time soon…Yes Jon will move to a condo/apartment, Kate will be in her realm, LIMELIGHT.. and with dollars signs in her eyes, will for the most part be happy that Jon isn’t in the middle to block the camera views from her physical transformations, while her emotional state only gets worse. She manipulates things so well, this house, these surroundings were no mistake, she knew exactly what she was doing..and step by step has moved into the realm she wants.. All eyes focused on her! However!!!! Every thing has two sides to it…and in life we don’t always get to live on one side…even if she never admits it publicly she will hurt badly over what she has done one day.
Because, its not all about Jon and Kate, HELLO YOU BOTH, there are SIXTEEN little feet following in your sad, and maybe unforgivable footsteps!!! Those eight little brains will grow, and form their own opinions, and those will hurt Kate the most, when she is asked, HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THESE THINGS!!!! We can blast her all we want, however, those little people will carry a voice much louder than our worst thoughts of her…For the rest of her life she will be haunted, by these young people being on interviews… happens and maybe even more than interviews.. Gosh I have to hush…making this to long again grrr. One thing, I still will never give up the thought that they should get counseling, and work on their differences, to improve or at least safe guard their little creations, for if not, God himself only knows what will be the end result.
22828. ambull
June 24, 2009 @ 8:04 am
Lynda said:
Lynda, I don’t necessarily see her begging and pleading…I see a little bit of regret on her face and in her voice. Whether she wants to admit it or not on TV, I believe she knows the buttons she has pushed and she realizes that it has fully pushed Jon away at this point. I heard her saying that this is NOT what she wanted, so that does tell me that she would want to work things out. Kate isn’t the type of person to sit there and list all her faults or admit her part in this, but she has said enough for me to believe that she’s not fully on board with this divorce. And, yes, she is manipulative…she might be playing the “poor me” for the cameras, who knows? She might be as happy as a pig in slop for all we know???
I was more disgusted with Jon’s attitude than with hers during this particular epi. Do I think that she was a domineering wife and extremely condescending towards Jon and a bit harsh with the kids…ABSOLUTELY, and I see it now more in hindsight. However, I have seen Jon throw his hands up and be “proud for standing on his own two feet”…PROUD? For giving up on your marriage? It APPEARS that’s what he has done here, doesn’t it? I’m not sure I’m willing to believe the mouths of Kevin and Jodi (regarding the contract), they actually disgust me more than Jon and Kate…that’s a whole ‘nother story.
Like I said before, I understand what Jon has endured…we all witnessed it on national TV. BUT, to get to that “boiling point” where he can’t even stand to talk to her, look at her or even try and work on things is a bit selfish in my opinion. It appears that he kept his tail between his legs for YEARS and then just couldn’t take it anymore…I just wonder, really really wonder, if he TRIED to talk to Kate and COMMUNICATE his concerns to her EVER…or did he just take his frustrations out on her by cheating on her, buying an expensive car, getting his ears pierced and so on? Jon is currently in HIS own world, fulfilling HIS needs, seems to care about the kids so that’s good, but I just feel like he isn’t putting forth the effort…just my opinion on the info I have read and seen. Lastly, there is no proof that Kate was messing around with Steve…I tend to believe what I hear JON and KATE say, not Kevin, Jodi, STAR, RADAR…everything else is just hear-say, but a lot of people on here and in general take it for the gospel, always have…they’re a junkie, gossip, celeb, aliens exist type mags.
Lynda, hope that helps answer your question.
22829. mully
June 24, 2009 @ 8:13 am
Just one quick comment on JOn’s inability to talk to Kate or try to “man up” with her in the past.
I would think that, considering his natural tendency to not be confrontational, and the fact that he was constantly and consistently put down by Kate for any and every small or large infraction on his part (and thats what we saw ONLY on camera) that it might be kinda hard for Jon to open up and talk to Kate.
I think confronting someone like Kate, who is very strong and very dominnering and very much in control, would be a very difficult task for Jon Gosselin.
At the end of the day, I also cannot help but wonder how open Kate would ever be to hearing anything from anyone, that wasnt the way Kate wanted it.
22830. Lauren
June 24, 2009 @ 8:19 am
Hi, P.J.! I’ve been around, but it takes so long these days to load the IP page that I get distracted and start doing something else. I’m sure it’s because this site is getting a record number of hits with all the media attention on the Gosselins.
I was getting dressed for work and I heard on Good Morning America that Kate was giving an interview to discuss how they told the kids about the divorce. I didn’t get to watch the interview, had to leave for work. It just doesn’t make sense to me that they could have told the kids, unless they did so in a hurry, if Kate just decided on Monday to file for divorce because of Jon’s weekend activities. That’s not a conversation you can have over snack time, or in the car on the way to the courthouse. Not with 8 kids who will have questions, tears and need a lot of comfort.
If anyone sees the interview, will you give a brief synopsis here about what Kate says? Thanks, in advance.
I hope everyone has a wonderful day. It’s record breaking heat here in Texas. 101 today, with heat index of 106-108.