Jon and Kate plus 8
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October 29, 2007 at
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Jessica
If you haven’t caught an episode of TLC/Discovery Health’s “Jon and Kate plus 8“, it just may give you a little solace in the hardships of ones own parenting challenges. Jon (an IT Analysist) and Kate (a former nurse) Gosselin used in-vitro fertilization to help spawn 8 kids. One set are twins and the other six are from a subsequent litter.
Last season, I really liked the spunk coupled with the unconventional and imperfect parenting techniques used by Kate. Although she tended to run a tight ship, she was also human and threw political correctness to the wind when it came to the realities of having 6 toddlers and young twins only 4 years older than the sextuplets.
This season, I have to say, the reality parenting TV show has lost some of its charm with me. Although I enjoy, in a voyeuristic sort of way, watching parenting pained by temper tantrums and legal slavery by way of 6 more demanding children than I am left to deal with, I also have found Kate to be as bratty on occasion as her preschool broad.
In some ways Jon and Kate are very lucky. They have a cozy network of incredibly supportive family and friends who take and/or watch their children frequently. In the first couple of weeks of this season, I watched as Kate went to spa treatments, out to dinner with just her and her husband and plan a vacation by themselves in the Florida Keys. Personally, I know of very few 1.3 children families that are afforded so much free time as they are.
Another less than flattering observation I’ve made — Kate is not very nice to her husband Jon. While Jon is easy going and incredibly accommodating to his wifes idiosyncrasies, she is always snapping at him and making condescending remarks. Is it not enough that he spends all of his time at home helping with the children and goes to work on a daily basis to provide for his classroom of children and thus allowing Kate to be an “at-home mom”. Of course, I can’t imagine that 8 kids in childcare would be worth the effort of working outside of the home, but she always acts as if he is clueless and her life is so incredibly hard. Often times, she resorts to treating him like one of their toddlers.
One episode, Kate decided to hire a cleaning person. Through her exhaustive search, she finally settled on the one person who actually agreed to take the job on — so her prospects were limited. After the brave cleaning lady left, Kate then went around her house with imaginary white gloves, pointing out the hidden dust left behind. “Thanks for trying,” Kate said out loud, along with other rumbles of disappointment. The implication was that the cleaning woman was fired, not up to Kate’s high standards. Of course, you should get what you pay for, but cleaning after 6 toddlers and their bigger sisters, something is bound to get forgotten. Perhaps she should have cut the cleaning lady as much slack as she expects in return?
While Kate seems like a lot of fun and incredibly organized, it’s the little things — weird things — that seem to get her in a tizzy, like what shoes the older girls are going to wear to a carnival or if any of her family or friends puts her out by being one minute late. Sometimes you get the feeling that Kate is nothing more than a control freak, loving every challenge that comes her way, but at the same time, expecting others to reward her and recognize her for having it so tough, when in actuality, she really doesn’t. Sure, having 8 small children would drive the sanest person batty, it has also given them a much desired family and tv show. All in all, they have a pretty fortunate lifestyle.
As much as I like this show, I wish Kate would be less focused on herself and the indulgences of her children and complain less. Most families, even with less children, have their own unique challenges and have many other issues to deal with on top of it. Count your blessings Kate. You are not the first “over-worked” mother and you won’t be the last.
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271. Maureen said:
January 23, 2008 @ 9:27 am
Marc, shouldn’t you be off watching a football game somewhere???? Seems to me like YOU lead a pretty “exciting” life if you are flipping over to Jon & Kate Plus 8 and THEN taking the time to visit blogs and post comments!!
272. chris said:
January 23, 2008 @ 10:22 am
[quote comment="138518"]So just wanted to hear the thoughts from those of you who seemed to miss the first episode where Jon was making fun of Kate’s weight. I haven’t seen too many posters mention this so I think in all fairness this should be addressed by those of you who are labeling Kate as an abuser and the sole person responsible for any and all dysfunction in the family.[/quote]
This is a situation of what comw first the chicken or the egg.Was she like that first and he at time decide to give her a taste of her own medicine or was he like that first and she is giving him a taste of her own medicine.Either way it is unheathly and immature but with kates personallity I would say she was like that first.If that was me and my husband was like that not only would I be nasty back but have obviouse resentment as well,not really I wouldn’t play that immature game but if you did you would have resentmant as well.
273. Preesi said:
January 23, 2008 @ 10:23 am
[quote comment="138524"]They were sitting together chatting with the producer and Jon started talking about his displeasure with Kate’s appearance after having the six babies. He talked about how after Kate had the twins she bounced back quickly but the same was not true after the sextuplets. I am describing this with nice words but he was not as pleasant to her in his tone or words. His comments seemed to be cut downs to her but I would like to know what everyone else thinks! If my husband ever said those things to me after I had our twins, I would have died inside.(let alone having it said on tv)[/quote]
That was before her surgery! THEY BOTH were talking about it and making fun of her “Jowls Of The Dog”…They BOTH agreed how gross it was and how it will be a nice present after the surgery…
274. Paulette said:
January 23, 2008 @ 11:06 am
Maureen - My thoughts exactly on Marc’s post.
I can picture him in a La-Z-Boy in the basement.
Glad we could provide a service for him, though, and be the object of whatever suppressed rage he is feeling today.
275. Paulette said:
January 23, 2008 @ 11:18 am
Vickie A. -
I was thinking much of the same things watching on Monday night.
Kate did seem to stop and reflect on her own words when she mentioned Collin talking more in the van because he is able to be heard.
I also thought Collin seemed very lethargic at the eye doctor and was wondering what that was all about.
AND - my son and I were watching together and when the little boy received one MINI M&M - we both just lost it. We couldn’t stop laughing.
Of course, we eat way too much candy in my house.
I was happy to see Kate playing the game with the kids in the fuzzy blanket. It is just so sad to me that so many parents don’t realize that every day with their children is unique - the dirt and dust will be there tomorrow but you just have this one opportunity to spend this moment with your children. Kate is so fortunate to be at home with her kids, so many moms miss so much while day care providers are there for the milestones.
I am the kind of person that just gets down on the floor and plays with kids. I find myself wanting to do that for hours with those little kids.
There is one thing bothering me about the potty training - it seems like you see the boys on the potty and the next thing there are in the kitchen or wherever telling Kate “I pooped in the potty” - okay this may sound gross but 3 1/2 year olds cannot wipe themselves - I know it is not something we would want to see, but it just seems like the way it is shown, no one is helping with that. AND, it may be edited out by the show, but there is not much hand-washing going on, either.
Just my observation.
276. Kristin said:
January 23, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
[quote comment="126072"]I wonder how many of the people who run Kate in the ground really understands the true meaning of being a mother and wife??? The people who lay around watching the soaps all day with their feet propped up and kids running around with crapy diapers and eating what they want has no idea the true meaning of real motherhood or being wife!! Kate can be a real stinker at times BUTTTTTT look at how good she takes care of them kids and the clean house she has..PLUS, she’s a devoted wife to Jon..What real wife and mother don’t have times of being bitchy?? Any normal woman with kids would have to relate to her..That’s if the house,kids,husband, grocery shopping,cleaning, and the normal things are done..I’d rather keep working my 8 hour shifts than to go through what Kate does..SOOOOOOOOOo what if they get free gifts! It just shows the good hearts of the people who give them…I hope they get LOTS more gifts and nice things..I believe that the people who seem to think Kate is bitch should watch little people….There’s Amy talking to Matt like a dog and only seems to be in a decent mood when they go on vacation..I feel sorry for Matt and think Amy is the bitch!!!!!That house is nasty, the kids disrespects and act like pigs, Amy looks and acts like a bulldog and what’s her excuse for the way she is?? It sure isen’t from all the hard work she does and the taking care of kids..At least Kate shows affection and she can sit with jon and laugh…Kate and Jon plus 8 keep rocking and keep up the good work work!!!!!!![/quote]
AMEN!!! I couldn’t have put it any better. And to the person that said that Kate does not have it tough, um… puh-lease. I commend her for all that she does. I think people take her assertiveness and twist it around and say she’s bitchy. There is nothing wrong for knowing what you want and getting it. She wants the best for her children and her husband and she’s a good Christian woman. I think she’s got a very level head.
277. Tara From Jersey said:
January 23, 2008 @ 4:54 pm
I love the show. And I am a big fan of Both Kate and Jon. I love how the people who hate Kate.. keep watching and keep coming here to stir the pot. If you have a negative opinion, fine.. but why hate Kate? If sponsors want to help out with corporate doantions for a family of 10 living in 2008. Let them.. It’s not your business on how they make money, thru donations, or thru them speaking at various churches or selling used clothing and such. I am the single mom of 2 kids and I work full time, I wish I had some kind of help like Kate has, she has looked outside of the box to provide for her family and I commend her for that. I think Jon and Kate have a strong marriage and they have both said they love each other very much. I know I may not always keep my cool, lose patience at times etc, I wish I was as organized as she is.. And.. good for her if she gets to sleep til 8 am on weekends!! She deserves to.. When it comes to taking care of my kids, its not always easy but most of it is very rewarding. Jon likes to play with the kids and he gets them all ( the 6) dressed everyday. He is a great Dad and he is the one who lets Kate lead. She is a great leader and very organized. Why bash her? IF you don’t agree with them.. then so be it? Why just come to fan boards and repeat it all.. over and over?
278. Shyla said:
January 23, 2008 @ 5:00 pm
I’m not arguing with you freaks.
With this kind of anger, you should walk the walk, and report her to the proper people, if you think she is so unfit. But nope, you’ll all just keep watching every week. Which just goes to show you all care nothing about those kids, if you really think their mother is abusive. So you know deep down, there is nothing going on and you’re all just extremely bored in your lives and can’t control someone else’s household.
Kate also has PCOS - Polycystic Ovary Syndrome.
And so do I.
It can cause depression, anxiety, and definitely rapid mood swings.
You guys know absolutely nothing. Watching 22 edited minutes of their lives a week doesn’t cut it. I don’t sit here and dissect Jon, Kate, or anyone else in the family, and why they do what they do, in my head all day, because there’s no way I’m ever going to know unless I’m actually there.
279. Tara From Jersey said:
January 23, 2008 @ 5:01 pm
[quote comment="138611"]Vickie A. -
okay this may sound gross but 3 1/2 year olds cannot wipe themselves - I know it is not something we would want to see, but it just seems like the way it is shown, no one is helping with that. AND, it may be edited out by the show, but there is not much hand-washing going on, either.
Just my observation.[/quote]
My daughter is 4 1/2 and she has been pretty capable of wiping herself, she has been potty trained since about age 2 1/2 and has been wiping herself for sometime now. It’s all in the way you address it. If you tell a child.. You can do it, they will attempt to do it on their own. If you tell them.. you can’t do that!! they won’t try and they will feel a sense of failure. I help my daughter if she asks for my help, or if I see she needs my help, I also praise her for trying to do it on her own.
280. jenna roberts said:
January 23, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
Chris,
You make very good observations. I agree that if weight comments are made they can establish permanent resentments to occur! I do think they are both guilty of the weight cut downs but in this particular episode Kate does a good job of blowing off his comments but I would have been devastated to say the least if my husband was “disgusted” by me after the birth of our twins!
281. Melinda said:
January 23, 2008 @ 7:33 pm
[quote comment="137214"]APPARENTLY THE MAJORITY OF YOU ARE THE PERFECT PARENTS!! (or perhaps you see alot of yourselves in Jon and Kate and this upsets you so…) And to Shelia, why are you watching the show?[/quote]
EXACTLY!!! so sad. get a life and stop criticizing others!
282. Shyla said:
January 23, 2008 @ 8:21 pm
[quote]And to Shelia, why are you watching the show?[/quote]
I assume you mean me?
That is the [i]strangest[/i] question. And why for [i]me[/i]?
I’m one of the few level-headed people who are trying to say in a nutshell that neither Jon and Kate are perfect, but neither are bad people, either.
You should be asking that question INSTEAD to the weirdo Kate haters who think they know everything about the family.
283. Shyla said:
January 23, 2008 @ 8:24 pm
[quote comment="138641"][quote comment="126072"]I wonder how many of the people who run Kate in the ground really understands the true meaning of being a mother and wife??? The people who lay around watching the soaps all day with their feet propped up and kids running around with crapy diapers and eating what they want has no idea the true meaning of real motherhood or being wife!! Kate can be a real stinker at times BUTTTTTT look at how good she takes care of them kids and the clean house she has..PLUS, she’s a devoted wife to Jon..What real wife and mother don’t have times of being bitchy?? Any normal woman with kids would have to relate to her..That’s if the house,kids,husband, grocery shopping,cleaning, and the normal things are done..I’d rather keep working my 8 hour shifts than to go through what Kate does..SOOOOOOOOOo what if they get free gifts! It just shows the good hearts of the people who give them…I hope they get LOTS more gifts and nice things..I believe that the people who seem to think Kate is bitch should watch little people….There’s Amy talking to Matt like a dog and only seems to be in a decent mood when they go on vacation..I feel sorry for Matt and think Amy is the bitch!!!!!That house is nasty, the kids disrespects and act like pigs, Amy looks and acts like a bulldog and what’s her excuse for the way she is?? It sure isen’t from all the hard work she does and the taking care of kids..At least Kate shows affection and she can sit with jon and laugh…Kate and Jon plus 8 keep rocking and keep up the good work work!!!!!!![/quote]
AMEN!!! I couldn’t have put it any better. And to the person that said that Kate does not have it tough, um… puh-lease. I commend her for all that she does. I think people take her assertiveness and twist it around and say she’s bitchy. There is nothing wrong for knowing what you want and getting it. She wants the best for her children and her husband and she’s a good Christian woman. I think she’s got a very level head.[/quote]
Amen. And when you think about it, she’s not that old. She was born in 1975. She is a VERY young woman to be doing such a good job with so many kids. And hormonal problems.
284. jenna roberts said:
January 23, 2008 @ 8:33 pm
Preesi,
Wanted to ask you if you feel it just as harmless when Kate talks about Jons weight with him?
285. Shyla said:
January 23, 2008 @ 8:46 pm
[quote comment="138524"]Sure Preesi,
They were sitting together chatting with the producer and Jon started talking about his displeasure with Kate’s appearance after having the six babies. He talked about how after Kate had the twins she bounced back quickly but the same was not true after the sextuplets. I am describing this with nice words but he was not as pleasant to her in his tone or words. His comments seemed to be cut downs to her but I would like to know what everyone else thinks!
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I also notice he seems to flash her semi-dirty looks. That bothers me. And when she went to kiss him after he came home early in the “Winter Preparation” episode, he sort of gave a rotten look to the camera afterwards and rolled his eyes. Behind her back. I’m sure she was very hurt when she saw that! And he does it sometimes on the couch, too during the interviews - the eyerolling and stuff. That bugs me. I wouldn’t go for my husband doing that. And doing the “See, America? Remember what she did?” Stuff. Actually, if that’s the kind of stuff this show brought out in my husband toward me, I don’t know. I might not want to do it.
Kate does get annoying, I’ll admit that. She is a trying person sometimes. But you can tell that after their tifts it’s over for Kate, when they sit on the couch and talk with the producer. But Jon on the other hand…. it’s like he doesn’t really let things go.
[quote] If my husband ever said those things to me after I had our twins, I would have died inside.(let alone having it said on tv)[/quote]
Yeah, I didn’t like that, either. I think it’s his obligation as her husband to make her feel beautiful.
I have to say that Jon is a good dad, works hard, but… he really doesn’t seem to do a lot in terms of supporting his wife. He’s not too free with compliments and support.
So yeah, he’s definitely not perfect either.
After the surgery, she also got her hair dyed blonde again for him. When she returned home, after a week or so, I notice he did a some “va va voom” stuff to the camera, but that’s it. He didn’t say “Honey, you look beautiful. Glad to see you feeling so much better..” None of that kind of stuff. That’s what I would have wanted. Jon isn’t a natural romantic, I can tell that, but still… I hope he was a little sweeter in private off-camera about her surgery results.
286. jenna roberts said:
January 23, 2008 @ 9:52 pm
Hi Shyla,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter! I had forgotten all about Kate having died her hair back blonde for Jon. I do think we miss so many of their daily interactions and hopefully like you mention there are some “sweeter” moments we don’t get to see.:)
287. Ra'Chelle said:
January 23, 2008 @ 10:53 pm
Wow, after reading that and then all the comments. I don’t know where to start. I have watched this show from the beginning. Personally, I think you all are being a little harsh on them. I have two toddlers 1 and 3. I feel like I’m going crazy raising just those two.. I could not imagine having 8 children. I know sometimes Kate seems like a “brat” but how exactly are you suppose to act after being around six 3 year olds? We all have a kid side in us, some just refuse to show it. We do not see 24/7 into their lives. Who is to say that Jon is really like that all the time or that Kate is like she is all the time? I have no idea and neither does anyone else unless they know them personally. I enjoy the show. I do not get time to myself as much as Kate does because lack of money and babysitters but I’m sure she is thankful for it. Mommy’s need a break sometimes. I am a stay at home mother (going on 2 years now) and it is a job, but the best job anyone could have. We all are b*tches at time, even our husbands. If you are not a mother or wife, you would not understand what I’m talking about. It is hard to try to keep the house clean, do all the chores, bathes, fix dinner, and have time to play with the kids in a 24 hour period. I worked in retail for 3 years and it does not compare to staying at home with VERY active children. The only thing I do not like about the show is that Kate slaps Jon in the face. My husband would be really mad at me for doing that, but maybe that’s their thing. I myself am a bit of control freak and I would get mad if my husband put the wrong clothing on my children. My children have play clothes and good clothes. I would be really pissed if he put them in they’re $60-100 outfits to play outside in. So in order for that not to happen, I usually dress the children myself or pick the outfits for them. Not too mention, their closets are organized in dress clothes, play clothes, etc. so he will know the difference. Jon and Kate are normal people just like the rest of us. My husband and I argue from time to time even over petty things. It’s part of being married, having childrens, and different opinions. We both do things that get on each others nerves and sometimes say things we shouldn’t to each other but all that matters is that we know we love each other and we are not perfect. So I just want to say that I think Jon and Kate Plus 8, is a really great show and that they have a normal life even though it gets a little weird sometimes.
288. sarah said:
January 24, 2008 @ 12:26 am
i think kate is amazing and jon is a complete jack ass! their kids are all whiners and kate puts up with that shit all day everyday! and jon treats her and the kids like crap! and im sorry but @ 3 years old they should be potty trained! that drives me crazy!
289. Vickie A said:
January 24, 2008 @ 1:04 am
To Marc,
If you think everyone should mind their own business, then why was it so important for you search to find out how much “FRIGGIN” money they make from the production crew coming in and filming their everyday lives??? FRIGGIN??? Boy, that makes me want to listen to what YOU have to say!
290. Vickie A said:
January 24, 2008 @ 1:10 am
And Marc…. this is a blog…. where people post their OPINIONS and share ideas and thoughts. We are kind of like the little movie “critics” of the show…some have good opinions, some have bad, and some are neutral……all harmless… We obviously like the show very much or would not watch. Maybe someone who uses the term “friggin” does not understand what blogging is…. and should go away..
291. Sally said:
January 24, 2008 @ 8:18 am
Shyla (or Kate) said in part of her post #285:
“………Kate does get annoying, I’ll admit that. She is a trying person sometimes. But you can tell that after their tifts it’s over for Kate, when they sit on the couch and talk with the producer. But Jon on the other hand…. it’s like he doesn’t really let things go.” ………….”
Some of the treatment Jon receives could not easily be forgotten. I think it is more than a tiff. I think Kate’s remarks to Jon are often very insulting, meant to humiliate him and are just plain mean. How painful some of it must have been to him, you could see it in his face in the earlier episodes. Well in my opinion, being treated so badly and having to stay around and take it is not very conducive to being romantically inclined towards the giver of such hurt, and eventually elicits repayment in kind. Love can be killed. Sure Kate forgets the unpleasantness. She is the one that did the “tiff”, an example of the way of thinking that whatever I do is okay because it was me that did it. I think that some people seem to build their own self-esteem up by verbally attacking others, effectively (in their own opinion)boosting themselves up by putting down or running down others.
Also on one of the series, regarding the trials of potty training boys: Most people know that it is much harder for boys to become potty trained, while for girls, usually it is just easy. My own experience was that simply purchasing a potty chair and placing it in the bathroom at what must have been the correct time/child’s age was all that was required. Not so for boys. I was told that it is normal for boys to have a harder time with this. I always gave my wonderful daughter full and sole credit for her surprising and quick ability to achieve this milestone, but I was a little amused to hear Kate say something to the effect that SHE had successfully trained five girls (or whatever her count was) and then to make some comment about the boys’ progress. I realize that it is a mother’s achievement also but mainly it is the child’s.
292. Paulette said:
January 24, 2008 @ 8:50 am
I am so amused by posters on here that defend Kate and make excuses for her that do not understand the simple concept that those of us who disagree with them STILL like the show and don’t plan to stop watching it.
And we will probably keep posting so you all might want to stop reading.
You don’t always like every character on the shows you watch but you like the show and keep watching it.
This is a board for opinions. I don’t think Kate is a good mother. That is my opinion.
Is it judgmental? Unfortunately, yes. That is the nature of opinions.
I, however, believe Kate has a sickness and could benefit from therapy.
Everyone that justifies her behavior on here and in her life - she is stressed, she is hormonal, she HAS to be organized and controlling to handle everything, etc. - are just hindering her from getting the REAL help she needs (not free nannies, juice, clothes, houses, cars, surgeries, etc) but the kind of help that will curb her stress and frustration and make her happier. And if Kate is happier, they will all be happier.
But, then I just might have to stop watching - what is a good reality show without a villian?
293. Rebecca said:
January 24, 2008 @ 10:38 am
Ok this is to the person who said that they have the same condition as kate and had no problem having children, kate’s condition does cause fertility problems http://women.webmd.com/tc/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-pcos-topic-overview
if you go to that link, or even just look up the disease on a medical site you can see that for many women it can be a problem. And it is not that odd for a woman who is 24 and wants to have children to take fertility drugs. she had no way of knowing how long it would take. And for the mmilionth time she used IUI. she did not have eggs inplanted.
294. preesi said:
January 24, 2008 @ 11:05 am
YOU ALL NEED TO RE READ THIS!
Did you even comprehend what she WROTE???
SHES A SCHOOL PSYCHOLOGIST, She KNOWS what shes talking about!
So do I. I grew up with A NARCISSIST for a mom, and my sister turned into a drug dealing Prima Donna who committed suicide (suicide is HIGH amongst Children of Narcissists!) and it took me till I was 34 to figure “it” out and go thru therapy…
Watch all the other Reality Families (including The Osbournes) and guess what? THOSE are NORMAL familial dynamics and bickering.
Kate is a NARCISSIST and she is harming her children and her hubby…
I hope someone who knows Kate reads these posts and maybe a light goes on inside their head and they get Kate some help and NONE of the kids goes thru life in the way me or Paulette had to…
AGAIN:
PAULETTE IS A SCHOOL PSYCHOLOGIST SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT.
AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE NOT LISTENING PROVES TO ME THAT YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THOSE INNOCENT KIDS.
You people are as bad as Britney Spears fans who STILL say she loves those kids and blames EVERYTHING on KFed and the Paparazzi and Starbucks and the Santa Ana winds, bad reviews, George Bush, David Hasselhoff, High Fructose Corn syrup……..
KATE IS A NARCISSIST. FACE IT!
295. jenna roberts said:
January 25, 2008 @ 12:20 am
So here are some thoughts I have had after reading through the posts this evening. It makes my heart sad to read that some of the posters have been treated so badly by their mothers. This is important to note when you are reading their assessments of Kate as they are clearly going to feel bias against her because of this reason. This does not make these assessments accurate in my opinion but I do understand why they would feel so negative after having suffered so terribly from their mothers. They should be labeling their posts only as comments. Assessments and recommendations need only come from parties who are unbiased and have all of the facts in front of them. This is a site for all of us to post our views about the show not court ordered psych evals. Lighten up!!!! Not everything has to be soooo serious!!!!!!:)
296. Rebecca said:
January 25, 2008 @ 9:24 am
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This nar·cis·sism (när’sĭ-sĭz’əm) Pronunciation Key
n.
Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.
A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.
Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one’s own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.
The attribute of the human psyche charactized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.
Kate does not fit the full desciption of a narcissist. She is not so self absorbed that she does not notice her children. She does not lack a lot of self confidency, and I think that it is pretty clear that she DOES SHOW EMPATHY, she clearly loves and cares about her children, you see her love for them everytime she hugs and kisses them.
And being a school psychologist does not qualify you to diagnose someone based on the few hours of their week that we see. Freud was a psychologist, and he obviously should not have been diagnosing anyone. Any psychologist who has not dealt with their problems, should not be diagnosing people. And that belief comes straight from my college psychology professor, who has more credentials than a school psychologist. She has worked with children that have been through hell, and have far worse psychological problems than your average child. She worked with children that a school psychologist could not handle. So excuse me if I think it is rediculous to diagnose someone without actually knowing someone.
And no I do not spend my day fighting for Brittany.
297. Paulette said:
January 25, 2008 @ 9:27 am
Jenna -
Each of us uses and draws upon our own experiences to form our opinions about everything.
With my background, my education, my environment and my experiences, I watch the same half hour show you do and come to a different assessment of Kate than you do watching that same half hour and using your experience.
As Shyla (who is a Kate supporter as far as I can tell) stated in one of her posts - Kate’s own behaviour and choices are causing alot of her stress and frustration. That is very astute of Shyla but Kate will never admit that.
As Preesi and I have said, Kate is a narcissist.
Ironically, narcissists almost always get everything they want but they are never happy because IT IS NEVER ENOUGH. Their sense of entitlement is so great that they are never satisfied. After all, look at all Kate does for her family, heck - look at all she has done for humanity in general - having the babies in the first place and now, bestowing her parenting skills on all of us and now with the speaking engagements and the book - the world owes her big time.
Everyone on here knows there is something amiss between Kate and her own family - especially her mother. Narcissists make a fast, clean break when someone figures them out and cuts off the validation they so desperately need.
I predict Cara and Mady will be out of that house as soon as possible. Whether they go off to school or just get jobs, or husbands and move out - they will be gone. They may do to Kate exactly what she has done to her mother.
I also predict that Kate will have more children, one way or another.
She is not going to be satisfied when the babies become more independent and no one is interested anymore, unless she gets some counseling for this condition.
298. preesi said:
January 25, 2008 @ 9:32 am
[quote comment="138894"]So here are some thoughts I have had after reading through the posts this evening. It makes my heart sad to read that some of the posters have been treated so badly by their mothers. This is important to note when you are reading their assessments of Kate as they are clearly going to feel bias against her because of this reason. This does not make these assessments accurate in my opinion [/quote]
Jenna?
Its NOT “just” me and Paulette’s OPINION!
Its the opinion of MANY MANY MANY others.
My best friend was a Psychologist who worked in the KY Social Work system AND the KY prison system says that Kate is DEFINITELY a Narcissist too.
Ive read this Narcissist Diagnosis all over the place…
There is something to it.
Im not sure if you know this, BUT most Psychologists became psychologists BECAUSE of things that happened in their childhoods…
It makes us MORE perceptive to our feelings and the personalities of others.
Now, it would be TOTALLY wrong if I met Kate on the street and in a short 10 minute conversation said, “YEP, Shes got NPD!”…
But since we have hours and hours of footage and her own words on her website to go by, I think the diagnosis of NPD is 100% accurate.
Weve seen her interact with her kids, hubby, friends and the public and the way she talks and acts.
Its NOT hard to diagnose someone with all weve seen. IF YOU KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR. And obviously we do as have others…
Its not about BIAS, its about criteria, and knowing what to look for.
And Kate IS a Narcissist! And Im worried for those kids, and you should be too…
299. Sally said:
January 25, 2008 @ 9:39 am
[quote comment="138894"]So here are some thoughts I have had after reading through the posts this evening. It makes my heart sad to read that some of the posters have been treated so badly by their mothers. This is important to note when you are reading their assessments of Kate as they are clearly going to feel bias against her because of this reason. This does not make these assessments accurate in my opinion but I do understand why they would feel so negative after having suffered so terribly from their mothers……..[/quote]
Anyone would have to be deaf and blind as well as dumb to think that everyone bases their opinion of everyones personality and parenting style on how they themselves were treated as children. Do you actually categorize everything as it relates to you personally. Well I and many others do not.
I have known well someone(during my adulthood and the time of raising my children) who was startlingly similar to Kate in her parenting style and her personality and it has been long enough since that time to find out how the kids turned out and how they feel about their mother. How many times others around this person had to bite their tongue and ignore quite a lot that was really wrong in such a person’s treatment of her children or her husband. I will not go into detail about the outcome. She had the same brisk, proud of her ability to manage everything which was actually to bully everyone and nobody dared to oppose her because of the unpleasantness that would result. What can you say to such a rude person? Best to try to not be around them. The children and Jon are the reason I watch the show. My family are considerate and well-mannered. Manners are what make it bearable to be around others. My mother did not go around losing her temper at every little thing. I seldom saw her angry or irritated about anything. In my opinion Kate is very rude and this opinion has nothing to do with how I was reared, it is simply the result of observing many various people during my lifetime, much of which had no direct relationship to my own well-being or my personal daily life.
Thank heavens everything I see does not have to directly relate to me personally.
300. preesi said:
January 25, 2008 @ 9:41 am
Paulette, I’ll bet that Mady gets pregnant in her teens searching for something REAL and GENUINE in her life and someone who pays attention to her.
Yep, Kates UTERUS is her source of Narcissistic Supply.