Comments on: Bullying turns into murder http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/ Parenting, Politics and News for the Perfectly Challenged Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:52:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Grandma frm Ks. http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-178944 Grandma frm Ks. Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:17:36 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-178944 Jessica asked "or, are there children that are just born "bad"? I do not believe babies are born bad, I believe they are taught behaviour, as well as manners and ect. I do believe these things are passed on to our children by our actions, This just breaks my heart also, just to think how young they are and the mentality that they already have is scary, I'm sure they will never forget this action of their own hand. I know a few weeks ago I had 2 small grand daughters visiting for a couple weeks, the 7 yr old was riding her bike, and a little boy in our neighborhood (somewhere) told her if she came back down he street again he would break her arm. She told him he did'nt scare her and he was mean, and the foul language that came out of his mouth was words I have never used, She asked me what was a C--- Sucker (I think you get the word) Needless to say, I was scared for her, and she did'nt ride by her self any more, never did find for sure where he came from, probably visiting some one. But Jessica I certainly hope that some one will do some thing for those boys, do you think they could ever just forget what they did? or they don't realize how wrong it was? Some may differ with me but even our youngest knows what murder is. No matter what tho, a baby is lost to death and 2 more is lost with out proper help. Sooo sad! Jessica asked “or, are there children that are just born “bad”?

I do not believe babies are born bad, I believe they are taught behaviour, as well as manners and ect. I do believe these things are passed on to our children by our actions, This just breaks my heart also, just to think how young they are and the mentality that they already have is scary, I’m sure they will never forget this action of their own hand.

I know a few weeks ago I had 2 small grand daughters visiting for a couple weeks, the 7 yr old was riding her bike, and a little boy in our neighborhood (somewhere) told her if she came back down he street again he would break her arm. She told him he did’nt scare her and he was mean, and the foul language that came out of his mouth was words I have never used, She asked me what was a C— Sucker (I think you get the word) Needless to say, I was scared for her, and she did’nt ride by her self any more, never did find for sure where he came from, probably visiting some one.

But Jessica I certainly hope that some one will do some thing for those boys, do you think they could ever just forget what they did? or they don’t realize how wrong it was? Some may differ with me but even our youngest knows what murder is. No matter what tho, a baby is lost to death and 2 more is lost with out proper help. Sooo sad!

]]> By: Randy http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-178913 Randy Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:16:49 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-178913 I lived for 4yrs in Pauingassi over 7 yrs ago when the solvent abuse was basicly starting at the attitute was not to say anything no big deal. The children of this community were the by products of a night of drinking and fooling around not planned families. The childern were not raised but had to raise themselves. Not all families were like this but you only notice the neglective families. If you look into the history of Pauingassi you will find parents killing children, children killing parents, children killing children, rapes, missing people never seen again all connected to alcohol or sniffing gasoline and bullying. Can you blame the children? todays young adults were yesterday kids and their parents where abused themselves. Four generations of abuse on record. Time to step in, this is only the tip of the iceburg. These 2 boys had no and I repeat NO clue what they were doing was wrong as anyone in any urban center knows. Babes in the woods and I mean in the woods (isolated in the BUSH). Help not critize.......... I lived for 4yrs in Pauingassi over 7 yrs ago when the solvent abuse was basicly starting at the attitute was not to say anything no big deal. The children of this community were the by products of a night of drinking and fooling around not planned families. The childern were not raised but had to raise themselves. Not all families were like this but you only notice the neglective families. If you look into the history of Pauingassi you will find parents killing children, children killing parents, children killing children, rapes, missing people never seen again all connected to alcohol or sniffing gasoline and bullying.
Can you blame the children? todays young adults were yesterday kids and their parents where abused themselves. Four generations of abuse on record.
Time to step in, this is only the tip of the iceburg. These 2 boys had no and I repeat NO clue what they were doing was wrong as anyone in any urban center knows. Babes in the woods and I mean in the woods (isolated in the BUSH).
Help not critize……….

]]> By: prpledrm76 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-143737 prpledrm76 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:32:27 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-143737 Unfortunately like most of u said, the behavior will keep happening. Alot of times it can start in the home, but considering the fact that our children are in the care of a school for a good percentage of time - I believe that they are just as responsible for the way our children act. There are alot of incidents that get over looked because the school doesn't want a scandal. The other possiblity is that the child does act out at home, but the parents are too ashamed to say anything to anyone - let alone the school to warn them. You have more and more cases of The Columbine shooting happening over and over again at different schools. Singling out kids and ridiculing them, well it can take a toll and if ur the principal or a teacher in that school - unless ur totally unobservant those behaviors should be obvious and when necessary there should be an intervention. The schools however, are not solely to blame. They may want to institute new classes to teach things like this, but the parents will often say it's not necessary or don't want it. Either way for the time that your children are in school, both sides have to work equally to make sure your children are safe. Unfortunately like most of u said, the behavior will keep happening. Alot of times it can start in the home, but considering the fact that our children are in the care of a school for a good percentage of time - I believe that they are just as responsible for the way our children act. There are alot of incidents that get over looked because the school doesn’t want a scandal. The other possiblity is that the child does act out at home, but the parents are too ashamed to say anything to anyone - let alone the school to warn them. You have more and more cases of The Columbine shooting happening over and over again at different schools. Singling out kids and ridiculing them, well it can take a toll and if ur the principal or a teacher in that school - unless ur totally unobservant those behaviors should be obvious and when necessary there should be an intervention. The schools however, are not solely to blame. They may want to institute new classes to teach things like this, but the parents will often say it’s not necessary or don’t want it. Either way for the time that your children are in school, both sides have to work equally to make sure your children are safe.

]]> By: sam http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-134875 sam Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:19:51 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-134875 hi my name is sam the things that go on now in school are just unbeleivable. You know how theres always that one girl or boy that EVERYBODY picks on, day after day they get tormented and yelled at and they're too afraid to do anything because they know they'll just get it even worse. Im only 13 but that only means i know more about what goes on in everyday life in school. I'm doing my lawson project this year and i've decided to do it on how bullying leads to murder. thank you for your stories this will be helpful to me :) hi my name is sam the things that go on now in school are just unbeleivable. You know how theres always that one girl or boy that EVERYBODY picks on, day after day they get tormented and yelled at and they’re too afraid to do anything because they know they’ll just get it even worse. Im only 13 but that only means i know more about what goes on in everyday life in school. I’m doing my lawson project this year and i’ve decided to do it on how bullying leads to murder. thank you for your stories this will be helpful to me :)

]]> By: Meg http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-104119 Meg Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:39:45 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-104119 If this story were the beginning of a movie, it would either turn into a "ghost of dead child haunts his murderers as adults", a "redeeming tale of a former child murderer, haunted by his past, who becomes an exceptional teacher in the inner-city", or a "gang of sociopaths torments and tortures Canadian citizens relentlessly" film. I don't really want to know. My children aren't old enough to even really play with other kids yet, but this story makes me so nervous. To think that with all the other things that could happen, that we have to protect children from other children is so disheartening. If this story were the beginning of a movie, it would either turn into a “ghost of dead child haunts his murderers as adults”, a “redeeming tale of a former child murderer, haunted by his past, who becomes an exceptional teacher in the inner-city”, or a “gang of sociopaths torments and tortures Canadian citizens relentlessly” film. I don’t really want to know. My children aren’t old enough to even really play with other kids yet, but this story makes me so nervous. To think that with all the other things that could happen, that we have to protect children from other children is so disheartening.

]]> By: Susan http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-104069 Susan Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:02:55 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-104069 And did the other kids watch him as he drowned? God, the more I think about the scenario, it makes me sick. I don't know how I'd cope if my child was the boy who drowned, and I certainly don't know how I'd handle it if my kid was one of the others. But then again, as you said, the parents may not the champions of empathy either. Ugh. Heartbreaking is right. And did the other kids watch him as he drowned? God, the more I think about the scenario, it makes me sick. I don’t know how I’d cope if my child was the boy who drowned, and I certainly don’t know how I’d handle it if my kid was one of the others. But then again, as you said, the parents may not the champions of empathy either.

Ugh. Heartbreaking is right.

]]> By: Susan http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-104068 Susan Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:57:24 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-104068 I wonder if the 9 year-old was the ringleader? I see even with my children's schoolmates that the younger ones will go along with the teasing and sniping inspired by an older, bossy bully, even if they would never do it on their own. Regardless, I'm not sure how to respond to your questions -- as a parent that's what's so frustrating and sad. I wonder if the 9 year-old was the ringleader? I see even with my children’s schoolmates that the younger ones will go along with the teasing and sniping inspired by an older, bossy bully, even if they would never do it on their own. Regardless, I’m not sure how to respond to your questions — as a parent that’s what’s so frustrating and sad.

]]> By: Jessica http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-104056 Jessica Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:34:57 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-104056 [quote comment="104053"]When my mom couldn't take the smallest one bullying my younger brother anymore, we all went over as a family to ask the parents if they could make it stop. That crazy woman smashed her beer bottle to the ground and then choked my mom!!![/quote] Holy crap, Allison! LOL! You have some crazy-ass stories, girl. (I always look forward to your comments.) :) That is crazy. Are the bullies' family still at the same house? What a whacko that woman sounds like. It's scary. [quote comment="104053"]When my mom couldn’t take the smallest one bullying my younger brother anymore, we all went over as a family to ask the parents if they could make it stop. That crazy woman smashed her beer bottle to the ground and then choked my mom!!![/quote]

Holy crap, Allison! LOL! You have some crazy-ass stories, girl. (I always look forward to your comments.) :)

That is crazy. Are the bullies’ family still at the same house?

What a whacko that woman sounds like. It’s scary.

]]> By: Allison http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-104053 Allison Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:57:31 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/08/13/bullying-turns-into-murder/#comment-104053 Quote Jessica: They will get away with it and in my opinion, since most bullies have parents that are also bullies, this will be the first of a long string of abuse and violence they will exhibit throughout their lives without proper intervention. End Quote Jessica, I fully back you up on this idea. When I was growing up we had a family around the corner with 4 boys and they all were bullies. Even the parents were bullies!!! The boys' ages were the same as my sister's brother's and myself, so we were in constant contact with them at school and after. When my mom couldn't take the smallest one bullying my younger brother anymore, we all went over as a family to ask the parents if they could make it stop. That crazy woman smashed her beer bottle to the ground and then choked my mom!!! When my mom called the cops when we got home, they said there was nothing they could do because we were on their property. It was nuts. We had to live by these assholes for 15 years. And I doubt now (this incident happened when I was 10) if any of them have changed. And I'm sure the son's will probably pass this behavior on to their kids..... Quote Jessica: They will get away with it and in my opinion, since most bullies have parents that are also bullies, this will be the first of a long string of abuse and violence they will exhibit throughout their lives without proper intervention.
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Jessica, I fully back you up on this idea. When I was growing up we had a family around the corner with 4 boys and they all were bullies. Even the parents were bullies!!! The boys’ ages were the same as my sister’s brother’s and myself, so we were in constant contact with them at school and after. When my mom couldn’t take the smallest one bullying my younger brother anymore, we all went over as a family to ask the parents if they could make it stop. That crazy woman smashed her beer bottle to the ground and then choked my mom!!! When my mom called the cops when we got home, they said there was nothing they could do because we were on their property.
It was nuts. We had to live by these assholes for 15 years. And I doubt now (this incident happened when I was 10) if any of them have changed. And I’m sure the son’s will probably pass this behavior on to their kids…..

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