Comments on: If you’re going to win the game, you have to play it first http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/ Parenting, Politics and News for the Perfectly Challenged Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:49:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Prescott http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56928 Prescott Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:03:09 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56928 [quote comment="56926"]I think the classiest thing at this point would be for Toys R Us to give the prize money to both kids which they declared to be winners. It's not like the $8000-or-so value of the savings bond is a lot of money to the company vs. the P.R. opportunity (which is what this contest is for in the first place).[/quote] I already acknowledged that it was a boneheaded PR move by TRU, I simply think it's rather ridiculous to think this had a racist or xenophobic motive behind it. Some suit in legal was following strict procedure and it turned into a media nightmare. Period. [quote comment="56926"]I think the classiest thing at this point would be for Toys R Us to give the prize money to both kids which they declared to be winners. It’s not like the $8000-or-so value of the savings bond is a lot of money to the company vs. the P.R. opportunity (which is what this contest is for in the first place).[/quote]

I already acknowledged that it was a boneheaded PR move by TRU, I simply think it’s rather ridiculous to think this had a racist or xenophobic motive behind it. Some suit in legal was following strict procedure and it turned into a media nightmare. Period.

]]> By: Jessica http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56927 Jessica Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:50:07 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56927 [quote comment="56926"]Jessica -- you're feeling defensive, and responding to that rather than my point.[/quote] I did respond. You? - no read. [quote comment="56926"]Jessica — you’re feeling defensive, and responding to that rather than my point.[/quote]

I did respond.

You? - no read.

]]> By: Matthew Miller http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56926 Matthew Miller Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:44:48 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56926 Jessica -- you're feeling defensive, and responding to that rather than my point. I'm not being "dishonest" (I mean, come on, it's not like the original post isn't *right up there*). Rather, in the first part, you make a somewhat self-righteous sounding statement about how the law applies to the parents, nothing to do with opinion, but in the end, you're not wanting to apply that same law to the girl, "IMO". Her parents' status isn't her fault, and she's a completely "first-class" American citizen. And Prescott -- although the particular story linked to doesn't mention this, apparently the *hospital* entered the contest, not the mother. (The hospital also wins a prize in this.) I think the classiest thing at this point would be for Toys R Us to give the prize money to both kids which they declared to be winners. It's not like the $8000-or-so value of the savings bond is a lot of money to the company vs. the P.R. opportunity (which is what this contest is for in the first place). Jessica — you’re feeling defensive, and responding to that rather than my point. I’m not being “dishonest” (I mean, come on, it’s not like the original post isn’t *right up there*).

Rather, in the first part, you make a somewhat self-righteous sounding statement about how the law applies to the parents, nothing to do with opinion, but in the end, you’re not wanting to apply that same law to the girl, “IMO”. Her parents’ status isn’t her fault, and she’s a completely “first-class” American citizen.

And Prescott — although the particular story linked to doesn’t mention this, apparently the *hospital* entered the contest, not the mother. (The hospital also wins a prize in this.)

I think the classiest thing at this point would be for Toys R Us to give the prize money to both kids which they declared to be winners. It’s not like the $8000-or-so value of the savings bond is a lot of money to the company vs. the P.R. opportunity (which is what this contest is for in the first place).

]]> By: Jessica http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56923 Jessica Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:51:46 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56923 [quote comment="56917"][quote comment="56634"] Legally, yeah, you're right, but it doesn't mean it's <i>right</i>, IMO.[/quote] In the first paragraph above, you say "That is the law, not my opinion" -- but now, it turns out that it's not the law at all, but rather your opinion after all.[/quote] Your are being grossly and deliberately dishonest here. What I said was, "I hope the parents plan on becoming legal because if we actually pursued the laws on the books, they would be deported. That is the law, not my opinion." Why in the world do they call people that are here illegally, "ILLEGAL aliens", Sherlock? Answer me that riddle! [quote comment="56917"][quote comment="56634"]
Legally, yeah, you’re right, but it doesn’t mean it’s right, IMO.[/quote]

In the first paragraph above, you say “That is the law, not my opinion” — but now, it turns out that it’s not the law at all, but rather your opinion after all.[/quote]

Your are being grossly and deliberately dishonest here.

What I said was, “I hope the parents plan on becoming legal because if we actually pursued the laws on the books, they would be deported. That is the law, not my opinion.”

Why in the world do they call people that are here illegally, “ILLEGAL aliens”, Sherlock? Answer me that riddle!

]]> By: Prescott http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56921 Prescott Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:26:12 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56921 An unborn baby cannot enter a sweepstakes. So the contest entrant was the mother, and the award goes to the mother, not the baby, despite how the prize would be used in the end. The rules clearly stated that the entrant had to be a legal U.S. resident (this is common language on almost any sweepstakes). She isn't, so she loses. Why the indignation? I wonder if the same rallying cry would go out if the mother were Canadian. A public relations gaffe? Certainly. Racist? Not even close. An unborn baby cannot enter a sweepstakes. So the contest entrant was the mother, and the award goes to the mother, not the baby, despite how the prize would be used in the end. The rules clearly stated that the entrant had to be a legal U.S. resident (this is common language on almost any sweepstakes). She isn’t, so she loses. Why the indignation? I wonder if the same rallying cry would go out if the mother were Canadian.

A public relations gaffe? Certainly. Racist? Not even close.

]]> By: Matthew Miller http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56917 Matthew Miller Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:13:51 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56917 [quote comment="56634"] Legally, yeah, you're right, but it doesn't mean it's <i>right</i>, IMO.[/quote] In other words, while the baby is a perfectly legal American citizen, the status of her mother makes her a less "right" American? In the first paragraph above, you say "That is the law, not my opinion" -- but now, it turns out that it's not the law at all, but rather your opinion after all. You're entitled to that opinion, but luckily the US Constitution says otherwise. [quote comment="56634"]
Legally, yeah, you’re right, but it doesn’t mean it’s right, IMO.[/quote]

In other words, while the baby is a perfectly legal American citizen, the status of her mother makes her a less “right” American?

In the first paragraph above, you say “That is the law, not my opinion” — but now, it turns out that it’s not the law at all, but rather your opinion after all.

You’re entitled to that opinion, but luckily the US Constitution says otherwise.

]]> By: Jessica http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56634 Jessica Mon, 08 Jan 2007 01:45:05 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56634 [quote comment="56629"]The money, however, is for the baby. The baby is not an illegal alien. The baby is an Aemrican citizen, and if mom was deported, the baby wouldn't even be on the deportation order![/quote] Legally, yeah, you're right, but it doesn't mean it's <i>right</i>, IMO. [quote comment="56629"]The money, however, is for the baby. The baby is not an illegal alien. The baby is an Aemrican citizen, and if mom was deported, the baby wouldn’t even be on the deportation order![/quote]

Legally, yeah, you’re right, but it doesn’t mean it’s right, IMO.

]]> By: Jill http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56629 Jill Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:45:16 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56629 The money, however, is for the baby. The baby is not an illegal alien. The baby is an Aemrican citizen, and if mom was deported, the baby wouldn't even be on the deportation order! The money, however, is for the baby. The baby is not an illegal alien. The baby is an Aemrican citizen, and if mom was deported, the baby wouldn’t even be on the deportation order!

]]> By: Prescott http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56580 Prescott Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:08:26 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56580 Eric, since English seems to be your second language, I can understand your bias. I think the word you're looking for is "xenophobe", not "racist". If you're going to hurl insults around, it's best to get them right. Eric, since English seems to be your second language, I can understand your bias. I think the word you’re looking for is “xenophobe”, not “racist”. If you’re going to hurl insults around, it’s best to get them right.

]]> By: Jessica http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56571 Jessica Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:29:04 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56571 Eric, perhaps it might be prudent to read the WHOLE post before accusing someone of being a racist. I clearly stated that I didn't know if TRU's unwillingness to give the money to an illegal alien was lawful, only that I'm not sure if an illegal alien deserves it. Two different things. Note, I said ILLEGAL alien, it has nothing to do with the color of their skin. I would say the same thing if the ILLEGAL alien were Irish. Calling me a racist is just a cop-out to a smart and thoughtful response. Eric, perhaps it might be prudent to read the WHOLE post before accusing someone of being a racist. I clearly stated that I didn’t know if TRU’s unwillingness to give the money to an illegal alien was lawful, only that I’m not sure if an illegal alien deserves it. Two different things.

Note, I said ILLEGAL alien, it has nothing to do with the color of their skin. I would say the same thing if the ILLEGAL alien were Irish.

Calling me a racist is just a cop-out to a smart and thoughtful response.

]]> By: Eric Johnson http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56567 Eric Johnson Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:01:40 +0000 http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2007/01/06/if-youre-going-to-win-the-game-you-have-to-play-it-too/#comment-56567 What Jessica said is bullshit! According to the law, whoever were born in the US are legal US citizen. So there is no illegal claims for the baby. That's why finally the company gave the money to the babay! Jerssica is a racist! What Jessica said is bullshit! According to the law, whoever were born in the US are legal US citizen. So there is no illegal claims for the baby.

That’s why finally the company gave the money to the babay!

Jerssica is a racist!

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