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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/12/15/fighting-the-urge-to-look-away/#comment-36097</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="35282"]The only thing I'd add is that other than the ACLU and NOW and other established groups, how is one to claim that either the Left OR the Right gives a damn when abuse/neglect/murder happens as frequently as it does.  I think it goes deeper than this polarity.  I think it speaks to the underpinnings (or lack thereof) of a civil society. IF we lack the basic moral decency to care for young and old, then we've lost our grip on what matters.[/quote]

I agree for the most extent, however, I do believe it to be a partisan issue politically but a bi-partisan issue socially. You don't see moderates and republicans advocating for pedophiles and the criminally insane and mothers who kill their children on a whole. That's how I see it.

I do think some concrete solutions would include mandatory baby well check-ups, whereas if you missed one, you would have a nurse check in on you.

I also think that severally mentally ill parents should not be allowed to care for their small children alone. I think that a doctor should be able to easily request a court order to prevent severally mentally ill people from being alone with their children with periodic checks from the police force and social workers.

I also think that our society needs to get away from victimizing the victim. In the case of Andrea Yates, a certain segment of our society cared more about Andrea Yates feelings of self-worth than they did about her children. Most people that kill their children are mentally ill, however we cannot allow that to negate justice and civility. We cannot allow it to become an excuse. For societies sake, there needs to be a very clear boundary and consequence for these actions, regardless of their mental state. We cannot acquit people because they are mentally ill. Mental illness does not give you the right and excuse to harm your children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="35282"]The only thing I&#8217;d add is that other than the ACLU and NOW and other established groups, how is one to claim that either the Left OR the Right gives a damn when abuse/neglect/murder happens as frequently as it does.  I think it goes deeper than this polarity.  I think it speaks to the underpinnings (or lack thereof) of a civil society. IF we lack the basic moral decency to care for young and old, then we&#8217;ve lost our grip on what matters.[/quote]</p>
<p>I agree for the most extent, however, I do believe it to be a partisan issue politically but a bi-partisan issue socially. You don&#8217;t see moderates and republicans advocating for pedophiles and the criminally insane and mothers who kill their children on a whole. That&#8217;s how I see it.</p>
<p>I do think some concrete solutions would include mandatory baby well check-ups, whereas if you missed one, you would have a nurse check in on you.</p>
<p>I also think that severally mentally ill parents should not be allowed to care for their small children alone. I think that a doctor should be able to easily request a court order to prevent severally mentally ill people from being alone with their children with periodic checks from the police force and social workers.</p>
<p>I also think that our society needs to get away from victimizing the victim. In the case of Andrea Yates, a certain segment of our society cared more about Andrea Yates feelings of self-worth than they did about her children. Most people that kill their children are mentally ill, however we cannot allow that to negate justice and civility. We cannot allow it to become an excuse. For societies sake, there needs to be a very clear boundary and consequence for these actions, regardless of their mental state. We cannot acquit people because they are mentally ill. Mental illness does not give you the right and excuse to harm your children.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael</title>
		<link>http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/12/15/fighting-the-urge-to-look-away/#comment-35282</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing I'd add is that other than the ACLU and NOW and other established groups, how is one to claim that either the Left OR the Right gives a damn when abuse/neglect/murder happens as frequently as it does.  I think it goes deeper than this polarity.  I think it speaks to the underpinnings (or lack thereof) of a civil society. IF we lack teh basic moral decency to care for young and old, then we've lost our grip on what matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I&#8217;d add is that other than the ACLU and NOW and other established groups, how is one to claim that either the Left OR the Right gives a damn when abuse/neglect/murder happens as frequently as it does.  I think it goes deeper than this polarity.  I think it speaks to the underpinnings (or lack thereof) of a civil society. IF we lack teh basic moral decency to care for young and old, then we&#8217;ve lost our grip on what matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Carlson</title>
		<link>http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/12/15/fighting-the-urge-to-look-away/#comment-34683</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="34681"]

I'm also smart enough to know that this issue has nothing to do with the "ultraleft" (whomever that might be) being the champions of infanticide (what nonsense).[/quote]

It isn't nonsense IME. I have only (personally) heard two people that supported infanticide in this country and that was some ultra left leaning person on the dailykos and another ultra left leaning person on another political site.

Also, who do you think help to pay for Andrea Yates first trial? -- The NOW. Who's fighting for the rights of pedophiles? -- The ACLU. Who champions as little time and punishment for atrocities against children as possible? -- It certainly isn't the moderates!

While I agree there are no easy answers, I still believe that if we, as a society, had more respect for children, abuse and murder of children wouldn't be just another news story. Abuse of children is rampant and it shouldn't be.

Sure, the apathy probably runs on both sides, but I do believe the biggest contradiction on the ultra-left is their lack of support for children. They're willing to fund a thousand programs, but when push comes to shove, they support the worth and value of women (and adults in general) over children, IMO.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m also smart enough to know that this issue has nothing to do with the &#8220;ultraleft&#8221; (whomever that might be) being the champions of infanticide (what nonsense).[/quote]</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t nonsense IME. I have only (personally) heard two people that supported infanticide in this country and that was some ultra left leaning person on the dailykos and another ultra left leaning person on another political site.</p>
<p>Also, who do you think help to pay for Andrea Yates first trial? &#8212; The NOW. Who&#8217;s fighting for the rights of pedophiles? &#8212; The ACLU. Who champions as little time and punishment for atrocities against children as possible? &#8212; It certainly isn&#8217;t the moderates!</p>
<p>While I agree there are no easy answers, I still believe that if we, as a society, had more respect for children, abuse and murder of children wouldn&#8217;t be just another news story. Abuse of children is rampant and it shouldn&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>Sure, the apathy probably runs on both sides, but I do believe the biggest contradiction on the ultra-left is their lack of support for children. They&#8217;re willing to fund a thousand programs, but when push comes to shove, they support the worth and value of women (and adults in general) over children, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunfighter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunfighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure thqat government programs are the answer, nor am I convinced that if we all just "cared a little more" that this sort of thing will end.  

I'm smart enough to know that there are no simple, sound-bite answers.

I'm also smart enough to know that this issue has nothing to do with the "ultraleft" (whomever that might be) being the champions of infanticide (what nonsense).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure thqat government programs are the answer, nor am I convinced that if we all just &#8220;cared a little more&#8221; that this sort of thing will end.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m smart enough to know that there are no simple, sound-bite answers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also smart enough to know that this issue has nothing to do with the &#8220;ultraleft&#8221; (whomever that might be) being the champions of infanticide (what nonsense).</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/12/15/fighting-the-urge-to-look-away/#comment-33389</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My real quick analysis is that:
a) The general public cares very little about children -- believes adults are way more valuable and thinks they (babies and children)Â are fairly disposable

b) The ultra-left champions the perpetrators of infanticide and mothers killing their own children and hailed them as good mothers having a bad day and obstructing true justice (see Andrea Yates). They make all the excuses necessary for women to torture and kill their babies/children (and I'm not talking about abortion here, but it may be an extension of the celebration of it.)

c) It has also become a feminist issue. You never hear feminists or ultra-libs fighting for the rights of men that have murdered their children, only women, and white women at that. You just don't see the NOW fighting for the black woman who microwaved her baby, but you see them fighting for middle class white women who just as calculatingly murder their children.

In my opinion, it isn't about money, but it's about taking responsibility for our children and holding those who take care of them accountable. We need an attitude readjustment in this country. Instead of this attitude that says, "What's done is done," we need to say, "Let's make sure it doesn't happen or happens as rarely as possible."

Perpetrators need to stop getting light sentences for harming children. We need to give social workers the tools to take cases to DA's office and prosecute these people to the fullest extent of the law. It shouldn't be a 3 strikes policy on child abusers/predators. They should get life for abusing children, even if they haven't murdered them.

The ACLU should not be fighting to allow sexual predators the ability to be around and work around children, as they have been trying to do for so many years. People should be ashamed of themselves. We need to stop awarding these heinous acts and put our children first!

End rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My real quick analysis is that:<br />
a) The general public cares very little about children &#8212; believes adults are way more valuable and thinks they (babies and children)Â are fairly disposable</p>
<p>b) The ultra-left champions the perpetrators of infanticide and mothers killing their own children and hailed them as good mothers having a bad day and obstructing true justice (see Andrea Yates). They make all the excuses necessary for women to torture and kill their babies/children (and I&#8217;m not talking about abortion here, but it may be an extension of the celebration of it.)</p>
<p>c) It has also become a feminist issue. You never hear feminists or ultra-libs fighting for the rights of men that have murdered their children, only women, and white women at that. You just don&#8217;t see the NOW fighting for the black woman who microwaved her baby, but you see them fighting for middle class white women who just as calculatingly murder their children.</p>
<p>In my opinion, it isn&#8217;t about money, but it&#8217;s about taking responsibility for our children and holding those who take care of them accountable. We need an attitude readjustment in this country. Instead of this attitude that says, &#8220;What&#8217;s done is done,&#8221; we need to say, &#8220;Let&#8217;s make sure it doesn&#8217;t happen or happens as rarely as possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perpetrators need to stop getting light sentences for harming children. We need to give social workers the tools to take cases to DA&#8217;s office and prosecute these people to the fullest extent of the law. It shouldn&#8217;t be a 3 strikes policy on child abusers/predators. They should get life for abusing children, even if they haven&#8217;t murdered them.</p>
<p>The ACLU should not be fighting to allow sexual predators the ability to be around and work around children, as they have been trying to do for so many years. People should be ashamed of themselves. We need to stop awarding these heinous acts and put our children first!</p>
<p>End rant.</p>
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		<title>By: Paige</title>
		<link>http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/12/15/fighting-the-urge-to-look-away/#comment-29138</link>
		<dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something has to be done, but I'm not sure what it is and where to start. The changes need to be made at so many levels and in so many institutions in order to truly help these children. I say this, because after a year of mentoring a little girl in an inner city elementary school, I saw things about this girl's family life that terrified me and broke my heart. When I spoke up and tried to do something about it because I was concerned that this little girl would be seriously harmed, A SCHOOL PRINCIPAL asked me to forget what I had seen because the child would be better off if child protective services wasn't involved. When I flipped out and asked her how the hell that could be, she told me to quit while I was ahead. Ultimately the child was shipped off to live with family in Brooklyn, but you really have to wonder what the hell kind of world we live in where we're asked to look the other way when a child's welfare is at stake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something has to be done, but I&#8217;m not sure what it is and where to start. The changes need to be made at so many levels and in so many institutions in order to truly help these children. I say this, because after a year of mentoring a little girl in an inner city elementary school, I saw things about this girl&#8217;s family life that terrified me and broke my heart. When I spoke up and tried to do something about it because I was concerned that this little girl would be seriously harmed, A SCHOOL PRINCIPAL asked me to forget what I had seen because the child would be better off if child protective services wasn&#8217;t involved. When I flipped out and asked her how the hell that could be, she told me to quit while I was ahead. Ultimately the child was shipped off to live with family in Brooklyn, but you really have to wonder what the hell kind of world we live in where we&#8217;re asked to look the other way when a child&#8217;s welfare is at stake.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia</title>
		<link>http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/12/15/fighting-the-urge-to-look-away/#comment-26884</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this story.  Being a liberal Democrat, I am sort of hard-wired to supporting the idea that taxes (which even when they are low, still seem high) should go to ADEQUATELY fund social programs.  But I also believe that, with proper funding and controls over waste/abuse, these programs do a wonderful job of protecting those unable to protect themselves.  
I also feel a push, both personally and culturally, that we need to connect with our neighbors.  I don't know any more about this story than I read above, but I can't help wondering where the people living around this family were while this infant died a slow and agonizing death.  We all weep for this child's pain and the loss of this gift of life.  Please use this as a push to reach out to your neighbors; to connect with them in times of joy and health, and in times of need and stress.
And I pray that Tyrell's mother can learn to use her life, whatever it will now be, to bring peace into the world, not death and pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this story.  Being a liberal Democrat, I am sort of hard-wired to supporting the idea that taxes (which even when they are low, still seem high) should go to ADEQUATELY fund social programs.  But I also believe that, with proper funding and controls over waste/abuse, these programs do a wonderful job of protecting those unable to protect themselves.<br />
I also feel a push, both personally and culturally, that we need to connect with our neighbors.  I don&#8217;t know any more about this story than I read above, but I can&#8217;t help wondering where the people living around this family were while this infant died a slow and agonizing death.  We all weep for this child&#8217;s pain and the loss of this gift of life.  Please use this as a push to reach out to your neighbors; to connect with them in times of joy and health, and in times of need and stress.<br />
And I pray that Tyrell&#8217;s mother can learn to use her life, whatever it will now be, to bring peace into the world, not death and pain.</p>
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