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		<title>By: MC Milker</title>
		<link>http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/11/13/shake-it-but-dont-break-it/#comment-8418</link>
		<dc:creator>MC Milker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow â€“ I have inadvertently caused a stirâ€¦not my intention! Perhaps because I am, â€œ the not quite crunchy parentâ€, I find myself in situations where hugs and â€œair-kissesâ€ or â€œcheck kissesâ€ are common (crunchy) and where a handshake is the only answer (not-crunchy). Mine is a balanced approach. 

A full on smooch, would have sent me running to HR, but, a hug and air kiss, is really not something that I would tend to consider harassmentâ€¦unless clearly uninvited and repeated after a verbal â€œbonk on the headâ€ to an older, unaware male manager. 

Corporate culture does play a role here. During international business trips, I frequently encountered both male and female managers initiating a hug upon greeting. In a Mexican based company, with which I worked, this was also a common occurrence. 

Perhaps, as a baby-boomer, I was a little more accepting than a woman entering business today. For goodness sakes, male managers SHOULD know the new rules by now! 

Thanks for all of the comments on my postâ€¦I blog to think and Iâ€™m getting lots to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow â€“ I have inadvertently caused a stirâ€¦not my intention! Perhaps because I am, â€œ the not quite crunchy parentâ€, I find myself in situations where hugs and â€œair-kissesâ€ or â€œcheck kissesâ€ are common (crunchy) and where a handshake is the only answer (not-crunchy). Mine is a balanced approach. </p>
<p>A full on smooch, would have sent me running to HR, but, a hug and air kiss, is really not something that I would tend to consider harassmentâ€¦unless clearly uninvited and repeated after a verbal â€œbonk on the headâ€ to an older, unaware male manager. </p>
<p>Corporate culture does play a role here. During international business trips, I frequently encountered both male and female managers initiating a hug upon greeting. In a Mexican based company, with which I worked, this was also a common occurrence. </p>
<p>Perhaps, as a baby-boomer, I was a little more accepting than a woman entering business today. For goodness sakes, male managers SHOULD know the new rules by now! </p>
<p>Thanks for all of the comments on my postâ€¦I blog to think and Iâ€™m getting lots to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Carlson</title>
		<link>http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/11/13/shake-it-but-dont-break-it/#comment-8417</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MC Milker, if men were kissing and hugging you in a business setting, why in the world wouldn't you file a harassment? I mean, I have been around the business block myself and that is not normal or acceptable in all the places I've travelled for business. 

That is just really, really odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MC Milker, if men were kissing and hugging you in a business setting, why in the world wouldn&#8217;t you file a harassment? I mean, I have been around the business block myself and that is not normal or acceptable in all the places I&#8217;ve travelled for business. </p>
<p>That is just really, really odd.</p>
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		<title>By: ortizzle</title>
		<link>http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/11/13/shake-it-but-dont-break-it/#comment-8405</link>
		<dc:creator>ortizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 03:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in Spain for a couple of decades where the "mwah-mwah" kiss, one on each cheek, is common in social settings with friends. But never, ever, in a business context was I expected to proffer more than a handshake. (Even in social settings when you are first introduced to men who might be friends of your friends, it isn't a real "contact" kiss on the face, just an "air kiss," i.e., moving your head in either direction.) Two men introduced in a business context would also shake hands, or at best, after a congenial lunch, they might part with a "pat on the back" and handshake. Definitely not any "mwah-mwah" stuff between men, social or otherwise, but maybe that's a latino thing. 

Interesting comments on the handshake in general. We had a speaker in the all girls school where I teach who mentioned that topic and asked girls what sort of handshake would be appropriate for them to use in the business world, on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being the dead fish!). Her answer was that it depends on the situation, but somewhere in the middle was probably best. Oddly enough, she never even brought up the issue of whether they would be shaking a man's hand or a woman's hand, just that the best impression was created with a certain amount of firmness. The overboard bone-crushing handshake was never an option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Spain for a couple of decades where the &#8220;mwah-mwah&#8221; kiss, one on each cheek, is common in social settings with friends. But never, ever, in a business context was I expected to proffer more than a handshake. (Even in social settings when you are first introduced to men who might be friends of your friends, it isn&#8217;t a real &#8220;contact&#8221; kiss on the face, just an &#8220;air kiss,&#8221; i.e., moving your head in either direction.) Two men introduced in a business context would also shake hands, or at best, after a congenial lunch, they might part with a &#8220;pat on the back&#8221; and handshake. Definitely not any &#8220;mwah-mwah&#8221; stuff between men, social or otherwise, but maybe that&#8217;s a latino thing. </p>
<p>Interesting comments on the handshake in general. We had a speaker in the all girls school where I teach who mentioned that topic and asked girls what sort of handshake would be appropriate for them to use in the business world, on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being the dead fish!). Her answer was that it depends on the situation, but somewhere in the middle was probably best. Oddly enough, she never even brought up the issue of whether they would be shaking a man&#8217;s hand or a woman&#8217;s hand, just that the best impression was created with a certain amount of firmness. The overboard bone-crushing handshake was never an option.</p>
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		<title>By: MC Milker</title>
		<link>http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/11/13/shake-it-but-dont-break-it/#comment-8367</link>
		<dc:creator>MC Milker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, in general, it was a "kiss on the cheek" that was requested...which isn't so odd if you consider the custom in many European countries of single or double cheek kissing, though this is typically in a social, not business setting:-)

What's interesting is how we will raise our sons and daughters to enter, an obviously intergenerational, workforce. Some of the older members of a workforce may cling to the old ideas. What do we tell our children? What advice can we give them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in general, it was a &#8220;kiss on the cheek&#8221; that was requested&#8230;which isn&#8217;t so odd if you consider the custom in many European countries of single or double cheek kissing, though this is typically in a social, not business setting:-)</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting is how we will raise our sons and daughters to enter, an obviously intergenerational, workforce. Some of the older members of a workforce may cling to the old ideas. What do we tell our children? What advice can we give them?</p>
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		<title>By: wordgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>wordgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, MC! I thought I was asking for the world by wanting a simple handshake. I had no idea that a professional man would require a hug/kiss from a female colleague. That's just gross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, MC! I thought I was asking for the world by wanting a simple handshake. I had no idea that a professional man would require a hug/kiss from a female colleague. That&#8217;s just gross.</p>
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		<title>By: MC Milker</title>
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		<dc:creator>MC Milker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK - I must be in the minority here. In my former life as a marketing exec in Fortune 500 companies, male co-workers insisting on kissing/hugging me hello was one of my pet peeves. Maybe it is my Northern European background but, this annoyed me to no end. 

Perhaps it was because I worked with older salesmen. Perhaps I looked huggable - my DS certainly thinks so :-)My primary defense was to take one step back as the outstretched arms came my way and thrust my hand forward with a hearty handshake.

Since my DS is still a bit young, haven't quite needed to think about how to handle this yet. Of course now that you have brought it up...I will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK - I must be in the minority here. In my former life as a marketing exec in Fortune 500 companies, male co-workers insisting on kissing/hugging me hello was one of my pet peeves. Maybe it is my Northern European background but, this annoyed me to no end. </p>
<p>Perhaps it was because I worked with older salesmen. Perhaps I looked huggable - my DS certainly thinks so :-)My primary defense was to take one step back as the outstretched arms came my way and thrust my hand forward with a hearty handshake.</p>
<p>Since my DS is still a bit young, haven&#8217;t quite needed to think about how to handle this yet. Of course now that you have brought it up&#8230;I will.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hand shake thing can be very telling.  The worst is the limp fish, it kind of creeps me out.   I can handle the awkardness of the handshake, because if they don't offer I do in a very non-agressive manner.  What makes me scream is when in a group of men I contribute to the conversation and am met with dead silence.  It's humiliating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hand shake thing can be very telling.  The worst is the limp fish, it kind of creeps me out.   I can handle the awkardness of the handshake, because if they don&#8217;t offer I do in a very non-agressive manner.  What makes me scream is when in a group of men I contribute to the conversation and am met with dead silence.  It&#8217;s humiliating.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Carlson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stacy, if you do the smilies the old-fashion way, you'll get the emoticons. It's the old mixing with the new in perfect harmony. :)

Anyway, I see what you're saying, but I'll take the traditional values over today's casual values. I think most of them extend themselves as common courtesy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacy, if you do the smilies the old-fashion way, you&#8217;ll get the emoticons. It&#8217;s the old mixing with the new in perfect harmony. <img src='http://blog.imperfectparent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, I see what you&#8217;re saying, but I&#8217;ll take the traditional values over today&#8217;s casual values. I think most of them extend themselves as common courtesy.</p>
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		<title>By: wordgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>wordgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corrections: Theirs and victimization. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corrections: Theirs and victimization. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: wordgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>wordgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I promise that I don't feel repressed when a man holds a door open for me. I insist that my sons do it as well when they're in public or private. However, I also insist they hold the door open for ANY person (regardless of gender) who enters an establishment behind them. ESPECIALLY their elders. It's just good manners. I hold the door open for men if they're walking in behind me. It's just polite. I'm really not equating manners with suppression. I'm just asking why these "cultural norms" are accepted as normal without really thinking about the meaning behind them. I'll give you another example:

Many years ago, the reason that a prospective suitor had to ASK the woman's father for her hand in marriage had to do with the transferral of property from the father to the groom. And there was the issue of dowry (payoff). Nowadays, such a procedure is no longer required. Women don't "belong" to anyone and once she is on her own, she is fully able to decide for herself whether or not she wants to marry. Permission from her parents is not needed. I was 27 when my husband and I married and 26 when we became engaged. I was living on my own and teaching full time. I knew my parents liked my fiance and his parents liked me. The engagement was between the two of us. My husband did not go to my parents and ask them for permission or blessing to marry me. One, because the permission wasn't there's to give. Two, because we no longer follow those archaic traditions. Three, if one and two are true, then why go through a meaningless gesture that only hearkens back to a darker time for women?

I guess what I'm trying to express is my puzzlement over traditions that are now fairly harmless but are only considered "norms" because we've always done them. Yet...no one seems to know why. And if we do know why they used to be observed and the attitudes behind them no longer exist, why do we still do them?

Again...no repression or victization. Just curiosity. (I don't have emotocons...so you can't see me smiling)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I promise that I don&#8217;t feel repressed when a man holds a door open for me. I insist that my sons do it as well when they&#8217;re in public or private. However, I also insist they hold the door open for ANY person (regardless of gender) who enters an establishment behind them. ESPECIALLY their elders. It&#8217;s just good manners. I hold the door open for men if they&#8217;re walking in behind me. It&#8217;s just polite. I&#8217;m really not equating manners with suppression. I&#8217;m just asking why these &#8220;cultural norms&#8221; are accepted as normal without really thinking about the meaning behind them. I&#8217;ll give you another example:</p>
<p>Many years ago, the reason that a prospective suitor had to ASK the woman&#8217;s father for her hand in marriage had to do with the transferral of property from the father to the groom. And there was the issue of dowry (payoff). Nowadays, such a procedure is no longer required. Women don&#8217;t &#8220;belong&#8221; to anyone and once she is on her own, she is fully able to decide for herself whether or not she wants to marry. Permission from her parents is not needed. I was 27 when my husband and I married and 26 when we became engaged. I was living on my own and teaching full time. I knew my parents liked my fiance and his parents liked me. The engagement was between the two of us. My husband did not go to my parents and ask them for permission or blessing to marry me. One, because the permission wasn&#8217;t there&#8217;s to give. Two, because we no longer follow those archaic traditions. Three, if one and two are true, then why go through a meaningless gesture that only hearkens back to a darker time for women?</p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m trying to express is my puzzlement over traditions that are now fairly harmless but are only considered &#8220;norms&#8221; because we&#8217;ve always done them. Yet&#8230;no one seems to know why. And if we do know why they used to be observed and the attitudes behind them no longer exist, why do we still do them?</p>
<p>Again&#8230;no repression or victization. Just curiosity. (I don&#8217;t have emotocons&#8230;so you can&#8217;t see me smiling)</p>
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