Pit bulls and children do not mix
Posted
May 31, 2006 at
9:33 am by
Jessica
People own pit bulls to use as a weapon and if you are part of the few that doesn’t own a pit bull for a weapon, then know you’re amongst the majority of trash that does. Nobody thinks, “Gee, a pit bull would be a GREAT family dog.” A pug is a great family dog, a pit bull is not. In fact, why not just go out and get your family a bear or a tiger? And if you’re fortunate enough to live in an area where one of your neighbors owns one of these weapons of mass destruction, then do yourself a favor and move (your property value isn’t going to soar with pit bulls running around anyway) or get your village to sign an ordinance banning these animals. Children deserve better. People deserve better.
From the website dogbitelaw.com, here are some stats on dogs that kill:
As stated above, there are two problems that have been reported as though there is only a single problem, namely there are canine homicides (i.e., dog bite related human fatalities) and the dog bite epidemic. The dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:
“Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996….[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities.” (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)
Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities,” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.)
Owners of such dogs should be aware that if their dogs attack a person, the attacks may be scrutinized by law enforcement. The reason is that irresponsible behavior with or toward a dog whose breed is known to bite has caused a rising and unacceptable injury and death toll, which authorities are determined to stem.
“Irresponsible behavior” is defined differently from place to place. In California, for example, it can be a felony for a person to possess a dog trained to fight, attack or kill that, because of the owner’s lack of ordinary care, bites two people or seriously injures one person. (See Felony prosecution of attack dog owners.)
In different parts of the United States at the current time, there are a number of parents who are on trial for manslaughter because their dogs have killed their children. In these cases, the prosecutors have taken the position that the parents behaved irresponsibly because they left their children in the company of dogs most likely to bite.
There is an 8 out of 10 chance that a biting dog is male. (Humane Society of the United States.)
And here is the tragic story, brought to us by WTHR-Indianapolis, that tells a true account of just one out of thousands of tragedies that involve a child mamed or killed by a vicious dog each year. As a society, we fight for safer streets, safer schools, safer immunizations, safer foods, environment, homes, cars and so on, we need to keep ban dogs that are most likely to kill a child. People cannot be trusted to keep your children safe from their dogs. If you think the kind of person that chains up a pit bull or a rottweiler in their yard is of a level of sophistication that they keep innocent people in mind, then your are sorely mistaken.
Indianapolis - A toddler’s life is on the line after a pit bull attack. The victim’s family wants the owner held accountable.
It happened Friday afternoon in the 13-hundred block of South Belmont near Lambert Street on the city’s southwest side.
Police say the animal took control of the toddler and wouldn’t let go. His young victim’s blood was still on it’s snout while teams at Riley Hospital worked to save 2-year-old Amaia Hess.“She sustained serious injury to her face and it appears she may have been bitten on other parts of her body too. One of her eyes is missing at this point. The other eye is seriously injured,” said Sgt. Mathew Mount of the Indianapolis Police Department.
The little girl was in the stroller with her mother. A man opened his door and the dog, named Ozzie, ran out straight for the little girl.
“I seen the baby in the dogs mouth and the dog shaking the baby like a rag doll, just shaking, shaking, shaking,” said a witness.
Amay’s great uncle calls her a sweet loving child facing a long struggle.
“One eye was completely tore out but the pupils were good so they can do some reconstruction on that,” said the uncle. “The doctors said that there’s many many surgeries there to do.”
It’s the second pit bull biting at the house in a year.
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241. poys said:
April 8, 2008 @ 1:24 am
I didn’t even bother reading all of the posts and comments .. no need to ..
Pit Bulls have been known to kill. Idiots with guns kill. Morons that sell drugs kill. Peanuts kill (severe allergies). If you “ban” and outlaw everything that kills then 1) We will all end up with nothing and 2) It takes away the very basic right to be a free citizen in the USA.
Just as a side note to ponder … just as guns don’t kill, people do, it’s the same with dogs of ANY breed. It’s how they’re raised and treated (trained) … is that really the dog’s fault? I have been around every breed of dog imaginable and the ONLY ones to have ever been aggressive and actually bite me have been the small breeds. Yes, the small little adorable lap dogs bite more than any large breed out there. Kill you? Probably not. Physically scare and disfigure you for life? Very much so. Ban Chiwuawuas now!
242. Mike said:
April 8, 2008 @ 11:44 am
Helen I guess you have a reading problem so let me say this again. I am not a dog fighter or a hog hunting advocate. Im from the northeast, where the hell would I find a wild pig ?
Did I ever say dog fighting was humane ? I was responding to a comment from Britt about his dog Daisy. What I was trying to say was the APBT
has had a past of being trained to fight. For hundreds of years this has been the case. This has been the ” enviorment ” for the APBT. The downside is a dog that on average has more dog agression, but the upside is all the positive points that so many owners enjoy with their APBT.
Now for you to tell me that none of the APBT’s
character comes from it’s fighting past tells me one thing. You have no idea what your talking about. If we were to take all the dog breeds (if you consider it a breed or not) and grouped them together as good with kids and not good with kids the APBT would be in the good group and most likely in the top 10. But that does not mean safe to be unsupervised with children, no dog is no matter how big or small.
I understand that dogfighting is a touchy issue when it comes to Pits. It’s the Red Headed stepchild no one wants to talk about. Just look at you Helen, you didn’t even read my post you see dog fighting mentioned and you flew off the handle. I really hope you don’t have a pit because your living in a dream world. Stick to cats.
243. britt rujder said:
April 8, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
Britt is for Brigetta - female name……
And, I don’t understand what Mike thinks activities have to do with genetics. If you are saying breeders bred a dog with particular traits because of what they were going to use them for, okay. But, if a dog never ever does that activity, that is not going to change their genetics.
And, whoever was talking about the breed got it wrong. There is an American bulldog (a wonderful dog that is often grouped as a pit bull type dog) and there is an English bulldog. I’ve known a couple of English bulldogs - one quite sweet, one pretty cranky - but I’ve got to say - as sweet a dog as they can be, they are a sad example of people overbreeding dogs - their litters pretty much HAVE to be delivered by c-section because their heads would get stuck otherwise. If that doesn’t tell someone there is something wrong, I don’t know what does.
And, the APBT is recognized by the UKC but not the AKC. The AKC recognizes the American Staffordshire Terrier - and, yes, there are questions as to whether that is a separate breed.
So - let’s just leave it as - anyone who would fight a dog is low-life cowardly scum who obviously has problems in all aspects of their lives. (Everyone knows serial killer behavior starts with hurting animals.) And, I don’t think it’s an insult to a pit bull to have parents supervise child/dog play if they feel it is necessary - truthfully - I think it might be safer for the dog because I have seen children hit and kick dogs. My neighbor’s boy (8ish) had a star wars toy and was going to whack Daisy with it until he saw I was watching him and then he bent down to hug and kiss her - uh, right.
244. Helen said:
April 8, 2008 @ 9:45 pm
[quote comment="153727"] Im from the northeast, where the hell would I find a wild pig ?
Did I ever say dog fighting was humane ? I really hope you don’t have a pit because your living in a dream world. Stick to cats.[/quote]
Well MIKE maybe you should move south, maybe you would find some friends there who are like minded about pig hunting, drinking beer and saying degrading things about women! No doubt you and your pit bull would both feel at home down south. Maybe you could hook up with Jack and see one of his “dog shows”. Disgusting!
Yes cats are great as I don’t need a pitbull to prove some old fashioned outdated concept of male bravado.
Now Britt although I agree with most of what you say, I still find it puzzling as to why you would choose a pit bull. Why not a corgi ? There is no need for these type of dogs in our society. They only exist as some kind of status symbol for men; or women that wish to be men. They are lets face it a very maculine breed of dog and in the present society not really useful for anything, apart from a tool that men use to intimidate other men.
Lets face it Britt dear, you got that dog as a protection dog in order to scare off the local male low life’s. Yes lets treat pit bull dogs humanely I agree, but not allow them to be bred anymore. Look at the San franciso dog case where that poor sport’s lady Diane Whipple was killed by two dogs. Disgusting! Yes we need a ban on these dogs and on the kind of people like Mike who brag about their dog’s fighting pedigree!
245. Sarah said:
April 8, 2008 @ 9:57 pm
Helen…
Ha Ha! Pit bulls are the most masculine breed of dog!? My dog totes a beautiful pink collar and loves to have her nails painted a matching color of pink. She thinks she is a true princess and she prances around the yard to prove it. She sits so pretty and proper with her paws crossed. You really know nothing about this breed. I doubt you have actually seen a pit bull except for what you’ve heard in the media. I pity you. I was once in your shoes. Until I had this pit bull fall into my lap four years ago when her first owner died. I wouldn’t trade her for any type of dog. She is my heart. She is as far from masculine as you can get. Just ask her little cat brothers. They beat her up all the time.
246. Sarah said:
April 8, 2008 @ 10:02 pm
By the way Helen… I think it’s time you quit posting. You ara making up stuff as you go along. Diane Whipple was not killed by pit bulls. Here is a quote from Wikipedia.com.
“Diane Alexis Whipple (January 21, 1968 – January 26, 2001) was a lacrosse player and coach, who is best known as the victim of a fatal dog attack in San Francisco in January 2001. The dogs involved were two Presa Canario/mastiff mixes named Bane (male) and Hera (female), owned by neighbors living in the same apartment building”
247. Jack said:
April 9, 2008 @ 5:20 am
[quote comment="153883"]Britt is for Brigetta - female name……
And, I don’t understand what Mike thinks activities have to do with genetics. If you are saying breeders bred a dog with particular traits because of what they were going to use them for, okay. But, if a dog never ever does that activity, that is not going to change their genetics.
And, whoever was talking about the breed got it wrong. There is an American bulldog (a wonderful dog that is often grouped as a pit bull type dog) and there is an English bulldog. I’ve known a couple of English bulldogs - one quite sweet, one pretty cranky - but I’ve got to say - as sweet a dog as they can be, they are a sad example of people overbreeding dogs - their litters pretty much HAVE to be delivered by c-section because their heads would get stuck otherwise. If that doesn’t tell someone there is something wrong, I don’t know what does.
And, the APBT is recognized by the UKC but not the AKC. The AKC recognizes the American Staffordshire Terrier - and, yes, there are questions as to whether that is a separate breed.
So - let’s just leave it as - anyone who would fight a dog is low-life cowardly scum who obviously has problems in all aspects of their lives. (Everyone knows serial killer behavior starts with hurting animals.) And, I don’t think it’s an insult to a pit bull to have parents supervise child/dog play if they feel it is necessary - truthfully - I think it might be safer for the dog because I have seen children hit and kick dogs. My neighbor’s boy (8ish) had a star wars toy and was going to whack Daisy with it until he saw I was watching him and then he bent down to hug and kiss her - uh, right.[/quote]
Britt,
Let me try and explain Mike’s point.
AMERICAN pit bulls were selectively bred by the method of Cajun rules fighting (you can look that up on google). This means that only dogs that were “game” here meaning willing and eager to fight (NOT FORCED TO FIGHT), while also refusing to give up in a fight were used for breeding. Yes the activity doesn’t change the genetics of that dog, but only the dogs who are good at a certain activity are bred and have puppies. So it changes the genetics of the whole breed through the offspring.
So for American pit bulls only dogs that were good at fighting under Cajun rules were bred. So what Mike is saying is that the dog you love so much, is the dog it is, because of both the selection process for breeding it and the environment that it was brought up in. He is saying that if this selection process ends (dog fighting) then the pit bull as we know it today will cease to exist. Because you won’t know which pit bulls are game without testing them, so you won’t know which male and female to breed. So they will cease to be pit bulls (only the shell will be a pit bull)
Basically simply put the present British bull dog is the result of selecting for show looks and not its original purpose. The British bull dog used to look like the pit bull terrier! Yes of course it is gentle now, as it is not selected for pit fighting anymore. Could any British bulldog even fight a cat now; yet alone a bull ! The American Staffordshire bull terrier is the show pit bull terrier. With the big barrel chest etc etc and a very different personality to a game bred pit bull. Because it was selected and then bred for the show ring and not the pit
And as you said “activities don’t have anything to do with genetics” UNLESS you are selecting breedings between male and females on how well they do those activities. If you select only to breed the dogs that can retrieve balls and frisbies, then you will end up with a retriever, if you select only dogs for breeding that can follow scent, then you will get scent dogs. Pit bulls were selected for breeding on gameness and fighting ability, whereas American Staffordshire bull terriers are now selected on how they look and not what they can do in the pit. Therefore American Staffordshire bull terrier is an American Staffordshire bull terrier and not a pit bull terrier. So all Mike is saying is that if any kind of pit bulls are bred to each other you will lose the tight breeding that is required for gameness and end up with a normal mongrel type of dog and not a pit bull. He is saying the things we like about the pit bull are a spin off from the way they were originally selected ie in the pit. He wants to know how the very special character of the pit bull will be preserved without using the same techniques of selection that were originally used.
It is no different to the concept of breeding a race horse. Only good racing stallions that have proved themselves on the race track are bred. You wouldn’t breed the slowest horses together if you wanted a fast race horse. These thoroughbred race horses have very different personalities to pet horses. BECAUSE OF THE GENETICS.
explained ? If not I will try to simplify it
p.s.
I am an agricultural scientist
248. Mike said:
April 9, 2008 @ 11:57 am
Helen,
Like Sarah my first Pit kind of fell into my lap as well. I had owned many dogs before that and was suprised when he turned out to be the best.
Since then they have been the only type of dog for me. All of my pits since then have met strangers with a wagging tail and a big dopey smile. As far as enjoying the intimidation factor, my home had been broken into 4 times before we moved in and since then in 15 years nothing. And if that’s do in any part to the kind of dog I own then yes I enjoy it.
I could tell by your first post you didn’t own a pit bull. And now you attack Britt for making the noble gesture of adopting a dog but it’s not the right kind ? Youve got issues.
I don’t recall degrading women other than making a gender mistake about Britt’s name. Im not a drinker or hunter but I wouldn’t mind moving south, the winters in Massachusetts suck.
I told you to stick to cats, not women just you.
249. britt rujder said:
April 9, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
First of all, Helen, I actually did not pick Daisy. I found her alone in an industrial part of town - (my favorite dog at the time was either an Australian Shepherd or a white Lab and I had been looking for a rescue.) I stopped to give Daisy some water (standing a distance away) and then some dog biscuits that I often have in my car. She was wagging her tail hard enough to shake the whole lower part of her body (typical pit behavior) so I thought I would take her to a rescue. Well, there is no room in any pit rescues, they will kill them in a shelter so, I kept her. I had her tested at the local doggie day care and I was lucky in that she loves dogs as much as people. And people LOVE Daisy - the neighbors, the vet, the pet trainers and every other animal lover.
But - this is the really funny part. I don’t give a d@mn whether my dog looks good with me or whether they are the breed in fashion or whether she matches my outfit or whatever. She is my companion and my sweetie, and, because she is a pit, she is also my entertainment since they are complete clowns by nature, she is a complete charmer and, through her, I have become friends with quite a few true animal lovers - including feminine, sweet girls that own pits (try going to Dogster, why don’t you). And, like Sarah’s pit, Daisy is always dressed very feminine - mainly in collars with daisies all over them.
BTW - there are also two grumpy old cats in our family who completely dominate Daisy. And, I also knew pits didn’t kill Diane - I was living in SF at the time (SF has one of the strongest pit support groups called Bad Rap).
And, Helen, you know the year before that a Pomeranian killed a baby and of course there was the Lab that tore off the face of that French woman. Do you want more examples of fashionable, more feminine dogs? They just aren’t as media exciting to people as the constantly abused pit…..
250. britt rujder said:
April 9, 2008 @ 12:19 pm
And, Jack, as I said - if you are saying breeders bred for certain traits, yep —- I get that, but there is and was no need to fight them to see which dog was game. Daisy proves it every single time she is entered in trials or anything else she strives for. There is an INCREDIBLE lack of imagination that would think that is the only way to discover a dog’s gameness. If - on the other hand - you are looking to see which dog is dog aggressive and will fight another dog, yes, then dog fighting is what is going to let you test that trait and that is pathetic.
Show breeding is just sad but, again, I don’t care if a bulldog could fight a cat. I don’t care if that is bred out of them. Who cares? As Mike said, pits are not protective dogs (which is why Law Dogs USA trains them for other things) and I don’t want my animal hurting anyone else’s pets so I don’t know what kind of aggression anyone is looking for. As Daisy is lying here contentedly next to me after our long morning hike and playing with some of the neighbor’s dogs, things are good (except I should be doing my work!)
251. Jack said:
April 9, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
[quote comment="154033"]And, Jack, as I said - if you are saying breeders bred for certain traits, yep —- I get that, but there is and was no need to fight them to see which dog was game. Daisy proves it every single time she is entered in trials or anything else she strives for. There is an INCREDIBLE lack of imagination that would think that is the only way to discover a dog’s gameness. If - on the other hand - you are looking to see which dog is dog aggressive and will fight another dog, yes, then dog fighting is what is going to let you test that trait and that is pathetic.
Show breeding is just sad but, again, I don’t care if a bulldog could fight a cat. I don’t care if that is bred out of them. Who cares? As Mike said, pits are not protective dogs (which is why Law Dogs USA trains them for other things) and I don’t want my animal hurting anyone else’s pets so I don’t know what kind of aggression anyone is looking for. As Daisy is lying here contentedly next to me after our long morning hike and playing with some of the neighbor’s dogs, things are good (except I should be doing my work!)[/quote]
That’s called determination Britt. Huskies and German sheppards have the same thing but are not called game dogs. Aggression does not equal game.
Yes your dog is very determined as all pits should be. However what you are saying is also shown in huskies and many other breeds. That does not qualify for being a “game dog”.
Huskies are aggressive and determined. Are they “game” dogs ? um no they are not! Why not ? They can bite hard, be aggressive and pull a sled with heavy weight over long distances. But are not considered “game” dogs. How about American bull dogs ?
There is no way to know if your dog is “game” by doing these kind of activities. Also aggression is not “game”. That is why I said if you are interested in the history of the breed read cajun rules.
(Also some “pit bulls” are extremely protective I’ve known quite a few). Most pit bulls are considered curs (not game) anyway. Game is not if the dog agrees to jump in water for you or can pull a heavy weight.
The home page of this web site explains it ok
http://www.game-bred.com/
Anyway as you said it doesn’t matter, your dog is a pet and a pet only so who cares anyway. You’ll never know if he is truly game or not, and will never have to find out. Maybe she is or maybe not! Not important is it ?
As for Mike’s comments about the breeding, I understand entirely. However it won’t matter as if someone wants a “game” pit bull they can get one from “game” lines anyway. It’s not that hard these days to find if you know where to look. There is also a huge demand now for “game bred” pit bull terriers and not “pet” bred ones.
Most of the best American pit bull terriers are actually now of much better quality in the Phillipines, Russia and Thailand etc. Heavy selection pressures for “gameness” in those countries.
By the way Mike I think that hog hunting is a very acceptable way of pest control and although it isn’t the same as other more traditional ways of game testing, it is getting a lot closer. Those hog dogs have A LOT of courage. However pitbull crosses are far better than pure pit bulls for that activity. As pure pit bulls often have problems when working in packs as they tend to be more dog aggressive than mixed pit bulls and sometimes too brave.
As for hogging though (hog pinning in a pit as done legally in some parts of the United states) well that is also getting much closer still. In fact Mike take your dog and try it ha ha!
Oh and Helen hmm, no I can’t be bothered to reply to you,it takes to much energy as I am kind of finished with this thread anyway. Sarah dealt with that one.
252. britt rujder said:
April 9, 2008 @ 9:26 pm
I have seen my dog try and try, determined to do something even if she is completely worn out and it is almost impossible but she will try unless I make her stop. I call that game. I also call that heart.
Again, I know aggression is not gameness - I said THAT is what you test in a dog ring. That people are looking for “game” dogs show what scum they are. They are not looking for pets. They are looking for fighting dogs and, again, they are scum. These are the same men that in an earlier life would’ve been slave traders - I bet a whole lot of those slaves could be very game and YOU KNOW those men fought them. Now they can’t do it to people so they go after the one animal that truly loves people - that has been our companion forever —- and they abuse them. They are one step away from being child molesters, rapists and other psycho people that take advantage of anyone weaker than they are…and tell themselves they are manly in the process.
I know they fight dogs in the Philippines. Barbaric!
253. Jack said:
April 9, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
wow if dogs are like their masters then yours must be game ha ha
Yes I know about slaves being fought such as Molineaux one of my heroes.
However come on! Equating dog fighting to slave trading. It may surprise you to know that although modern dog fighting was mainly a white man’s sport I would guess that there are now more black men participating in “sporting their dogs” than white men. In fact I’m 100% sure on that and their numbers are growing.
Look at the Vick case. And of course the best boxer in the world Roy Jones junior who supports rooster fighting and does not condemn dog fighting. In fact he even admits to letting his own dogs have a fight. Roy Jones junior is both not white and certainly no coward. In fact he is very game himself. He also seems like a real gentleman and hardly scum.
Anyway I don’t have much more to add.
Adios
!
254. britt rujder said:
April 10, 2008 @ 12:46 am
I didn’t mean it was white race dominated - I meant the mentality of someone who would fight animals is the same as slave traders - evil and cowardly. (But, as far as that goes, some Africans were sold out by their own race.) Sounds like Roy Jones Jr. would fit right in: Dog AND cock fighter - by definition he IS scum. Gentleman - ha! Right, he says excuse me while subjecting an animal to cruelty. It is not a “sport” - it is abuse.
And, yes, I am tenacious. Daisy sets a very good example.
255. Mike said:
April 10, 2008 @ 12:50 pm
I hear that feral pigs are a big problem in the rural south to farmers and land owners. As I said I don’t support it or participate but I also believe it shouldnt be outlawed. From what I understand the dogs dont kill the pig just grab and hold it for the hunters. The pigs outweigh the dogs by hundreds of pounds so it’s no easy match. Cruel to the dogs? No way. Does the pig enjoy it ? Probably not. PETA will probably put a stop to it sooner or later and if you applaud this then check out what the head of PETA’s opinion is of the APBT. Youll be shocked.
I know this is a bit off topic but has anyone ever heard of the Russian scientist who did the breeding experiments with Silver Fox?
He seperated them by agression and bred the least agressive to least agressive and the most agressive to the most. What was most suprising was what happened to the least agressive foxes. They began to change color, their tails curled, they began to bark like dogs and wag their tails at the approach of people. What history had thought took hundreds of years to take place from wolf to dog could have been done in a few generations of breeding by early man.
256. britt rujder said:
April 11, 2008 @ 12:03 pm
I’ve written Peta before on their awful attitude about pits. Some of it is similar to attitudes I’ve seen here - get rid of the breed because they suffer by being fought, etc. In other words, punish them for what people to do them. They would’ve put the Michael Vick pits down (as would the Humane Society). It was only the ASPCA and Bad Rap who knew enough about pits to want to test them first and, of course, only one of them did have to be put down. Funny, isn’t it? All of those dogs that were bred and had their gameness exercised, and Vick personally culling the less aggressive in his own psychopathic way and what you get are — dogs. Just dogs.
By the way - pig hunting….real nice. Pigs are rated fourth in intelligence in the animal kingdom - chimps, dolphins, elephants, then pigs. They can remember lessons for more than three years and are thought to have the intelligence of a three-year old child….
257. Helen said:
April 15, 2008 @ 11:49 pm
Britt and Sarah
You behave to your dogs like those pathetic women that date ex cons, trying to convince anyone that they won’t rape and steal anymore; but are really just mis-understood.
Wake up pit bulls are fighting breeds and you seem to get a kick out of owning masculine breeds and trying to turn them feminine.
You obviously have issues with men and you channel those issues into choosing the most vicious and dangerous breed of dog on the planet. OMG you even team up with a chauvinist like Mike and OMG a dog fighter like Jack! What is wrong with you sisters ?
Pit bulls are dangerous ditto. They should like PETA says be humanley taken out of our society. They have no place. THEY HAVE NO PLACE. We do not live in backward Georgian England anymore. This is 2008 USA we have made progress on women’s issues and animal rights. One of those rights is not breeding for vicious dogs that are bred only to hurt other more sentient animals such as cats and other breeds of dogs like labradors.
OH and by the way sarah they were fighting dogs that killed Diane, and pit bulls are “fighting dogs” so that is more or less the same thing.
Brit PETA is a great organization, and are spot on about pit bulls. PETA is about preventing animal suffering as a whole. Look at the big picture Britt and for heaven’s sake Britt and Sarah WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE PIT BULLS ARE DANGEROUS.
258. Sarah said:
April 16, 2008 @ 4:24 am
Really hellen? isn’t a labrador the dog that tore a woman’s face off in England. It was the worlds first full face transplant. my dog doesn’t seek to hurt other dogs. her best friend is a labrador. now i have it figured out why you have such passion against pit bulls. you are a peta lover. if peta is such a great organization why do they kill 97% of the animals that they take in. Take a look at this video about your wonderful organization http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itswGWddk2A
By the way, i haven’t teamed up with jack and mike. i think they are the type of people that give our dogs bad names. i don’t condone anything they have been saying. i don’t agree with any type of animal abuse PERIOD! Also all terriers are prone to aggression towards other animals. Maybe we should humanely kill the boston terriers too. Or are they just too darn small and cute?
259. Anna said:
April 16, 2008 @ 9:05 am
Yes Helen.. you need to open your eyes and take a serious look at PETA! I too used to support their efforts till someone opened my eyes about what they really do!! Research, research, research is all I have to say!! Not all the bad things out there about PETA are lies!!
As for pitbulls… well I own two wonderful pitty’s. They are my 8 yr old, 6 yr old and my 10 month old kids best friends!! My youngest was befriended by our female pitty from the day she was born. And I have TONS of pictures to prove it!
And yes, this is a point I try to get across to all those that hate pitty’s… ALL TERRIER BREEDS WERE BRED TO HUNT AND TERRIERIZE SMALL ANIMALS…HENCE THE NAME TERRIER. PITBULL”S ARE NOT THE ONLY BREED THAT IS ANIMAL AGGRESSIVE!!
But hell if we’re gonna use that as a basis to get rid of animals.. then what about cats?? They KILL mice, birds, chipmunks, moles, and whatever else they can get.. oh those fluffy little purr boxes are killers!!! They are also known to attack ppl too!! Where do you draw the line cuz we could go on and on!
Oh and BTW LAbs are dangerous too, had one bite my 3 yr old nephews face and left him scarred, I also know of a little girl that got her cheek literaly tore off by one of those “great family pets”, the Golden Retriever! And this WAS the family pet not a dog that hadn’t been raised with her!!
260. Debi said:
April 16, 2008 @ 12:00 pm
I am so sick and tired of hearing about how horrible pit bulls are. I own one.. she is a female pit and we rescued her from an abusive owner. Last night I watched a movie about the crips gang and how it was started and of course what kind of dog did they show that these gangsters owned? Pit Bulls! Not everyone that owns pit bulls makes them mean and fight! I have 2 children and of course I watch my kids around my dog but I think anyone with kids would watch them around animals if they had half a brain.. especially those little yappy dogs with little man complex!My pit is one of my children she lays on the couch with me, she sleeps in my bed with me.. she follows me around the house every where I go.. I sometimes find this very annoying however then I stop and realize that everytime I come home she is there waiting for me tail waging so hard her butt is shaking, at bedtime when she gets into my bed and waits for us to go to sleep so she can get into the middle to push us apart because thats her favorite place, I know that she loves me and I love her. A dog is an owners best friend. I have to say I am a pushover with my dog and I need to show her who is boss more often and I know this but you know what? I have been told by my vet that if you don’t let them get away with aggressive type behavior they wont do it.. and you know I have never had to stop my dog from being aggressive towards anyone animal or human. Anything can happen with any animal ( have you ever seen when good animals go bad about the lady who got attacked by a cat? YEAH! It was pretty scary!) but you know as long as you are responsible with your animal I keep mine inside do not let her go out front without a leash and watch her when she is out back playing, I keep her vaccinated and socialized by taking her places whenever possible and the most important of all I watch her behavior and pay attention to how she is feeling.. if I can tell she is not relaxed and maybe a little tense I try to make the situation more comfortable for her especially with mine as she is very timid and scared alot especially when there seems to be alot of unfamiliar faces around but have found most of the time if she doesn’t like whats going on out in our front room she just leaves and goes in and lays on my daughters bed to get away for some peace and quiet time. My dog is no monster she is my family and the rest of us would be devastated if something happened and we lost our best friend.
261. Sarah said:
April 16, 2008 @ 4:22 pm
Helen-
So even though the dogs who killed Diane were a totally different breed than pit bulls, it was all the same as pit bulls because they were fighting dogs. Ignorance! Let’s kill those types of dogs too. Actually, every breed of dog has at some point attacked a human. Let’s just kill all the dogs. PETA would like that since they don’t believe in the domestication of animals. Further, lumping all fighting dogs as pit bulls is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. That’s like saying apples, oranges, and bananas are all the same because they are fruit. Though they are very different. In fact, did you know that the first fighting dogs were poodles. Let’s just lump them into the pit bull category too- for they were fighters at some point. Oh yeah, and lets be sure we humanely euthanize all the poodles too.
I sat in my bedroom today and literally watched the little dog across the street attacking a woman walking by. The owner and the woman joked about it. If my dog had done that it would have been all over the 5 O’clock news and all the local newspapers. When we are outside, I keep my dog on a very short leash and I don’t even let her look at people for too long because I don’t want them to call the cops and say my dog is a threat. I must tell you, everytime my dog is outside and sees a stranger she wags her tail so hard that her whole body is wiggling. However, people refuse to see that. All they see is PIT BULL. She just loves people. If it had been a lab wiggling their tail it would have been seen as “sweet”. The only difference between my dog and the other breeds- I have never seen a dog get so excited over people in my life as mine does. She welcomes everyone. But closed minded like yourself shut her down before they even give her a chance. It breaks my heart everytime she tries to meet the neighbors with her warm smile and wagging tail and they just run inside.
really helen, please do more research on the breed before you condemn them all. it’s people like you that could be responsible for the demise of my loving dog and create stupid legislation. It is all just the fear of the “unknown.” You should really read the book “Culture of fear”. It might open your evye up to the stupid myths in life that have been spun from fear. what do you really have against these dogs?
262. Sarah said:
April 16, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
oh yeah… for you people who automatically condemn all pit bulls or base your judgement on the junk yard dogs that are abused and chained outside take a look at this video.
Dispute those facts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGairk18L8g
263. britt rujder said:
April 16, 2008 @ 10:31 pm
[quote comment="156070"]Britt and Sarah
You behave to your dogs like those pathetic women that date ex cons, trying to convince anyone that they won’t rape and steal anymore; but are really just mis-understood.
Wake up pit bulls are fighting breeds and you seem to get a kick out of owning masculine breeds and trying to turn them feminine.
You obviously have issues with men and you channel those issues into choosing the most vicious and dangerous breed of dog on the planet. OMG you even team up with a chauvinist like Mike and OMG a dog fighter like Jack! What is wrong with you sisters ?
Pit bulls are dangerous ditto. They should like PETA says be humanley taken out of our society. They have no place. THEY HAVE NO PLACE. We do not live in backward Georgian England anymore. This is 2008 USA we have made progress on women’s issues and animal rights. One of those rights is not breeding for vicious dogs that are bred only to hurt other more sentient animals such as cats and other breeds of dogs like labradors.
OH and by the way sarah they were fighting dogs that killed Diane, and pit bulls are “fighting dogs” so that is more or less the same thing.
Brit PETA is a great organization, and are spot on about pit bulls. PETA is about preventing animal suffering as a whole. Look at the big picture Britt and for heaven’s sake Britt and Sarah WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE PIT BULLS ARE DANGEROUS.[/quote]
Hi Helen -
I see you don’t read what I write. I already told you I did not PICK Daisy - I rescued a dog off the street (I love ALL dogs) and THEN was lucky enough to find I had adopted one of the best of the best breeds. Shame on me for not finding out more about pits before I stumbled into Daisy - if not for this happy accident, I would’ve missed one of the most wonderful, funny, loving dogs ever.
Your comments about men and masculinity and all that are wacky. Daisy is a DOG. I really find your psychological evaluation strange and probably revealing of some kind of projection. I hope you work that out.
And, as far as Jack and Mike - I lump YOU with them. I believe I used the word SCUM for dogfighters. You, Sister, remind me of no one as much as Hazel Bryan Massery - someone else with a dangerous prejudice based on ignorance (which she later apologized for, of course).
PETA is difficult. Ingrid isn’t great but they have done some positive things so - all I usually do is recommend the animal rights nonprofit I do support — the ASPCA.
You say a Presa Canario is the same as a pit? Then, I say a pit is the same as a Boston Terrier. Pits weigh twice as much as Boston Terriers but Presa Canarios weigh twice as much as pits so it seems just about right. BTW - the story about those P.C. was so sad and shows how, if people don’t abuse a pit, they will abuse another breed - like German Shepherd, Akitas, Dobermans, Irish Wolfhounds and Rotties. If they run out of those, they can always fine tune other breeds - a neighbor had unneutered male Golden Retriever brothers who turned on each other at 8 months - and almost killed each other. She had to give one away. Daisy drags me quickly past their house - he is very threatening. Just think if the scum of the earth could breed for that gameness..
Now, I am going back to my lovely, sweet pit and join the ranks of other pit owners and real animal lovers like Sarah and Jon Stewart and Ira Glass and Rachael Ray and Cesar Milan and, well, Helen Keller.
264. Jack said:
April 17, 2008 @ 7:52 am
[quote comment="156357"][quote comment="156070"]Britt and Sarah
And, as far as Jack and Mike - I lump YOU with them. I believe I used the word SCUM for dogfighters.
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Excuse me I don’t think it is correct to call Mike scum when all he did was say there was a case for hog control in the southern states lol
As for calling me “scum” well I think that is a bit harsh as I have only been polite and courteous to you.
However what you say about Labradors has some truth. As there was a famous Labrador fighting dog that was a champion at pit fighting (it was a freak). So yes Labradors can be game, although they will not be the dog of choice as they have too much fat per kilo of body weight.
Any dogs can be used to fight, that I totally agree. However people who “sport” their dogs also bet a lot of money on them. When they pick their stock they only feed a breed that on average is better at fighting AND more game on AVERAGE, and that is the pit bull family (mainly american pits but sometimes staffies etc).
Yeah i agree it is possible to breed and select fighting dogs from other breeds; but at the moment the bull and terrier family has hundreds of years of fighting blood behind them and on AVERAGE are a better BET than other breeds. If you were investing lots of money into a venture you would maximize your advantage. But yes other breeds can be used and yes DEFINITELY WOULD be used AND improved by selective breeding if necessary.
As for PETA well you may be surprised to know that I do actually understand their point of view, although I don’t agree with it. At least they are VERY CONSISTENT!
265. Jack said:
April 17, 2008 @ 7:54 am
That last post was for Brit something messed up with the quotes!
266. britt rujder said:
April 17, 2008 @ 12:38 pm
Are you saying you’re a dogfighter, Jack?
267. Mike said:
April 17, 2008 @ 1:36 pm
I think theres somthing like two million feral Hogs in the Unites States. They decimate farmers crops and compete with local wildlife for food.
They pose a disease risk to humans and animals and yes Britt they are smart. From purposeful introduction and escaped farm stock they have become a big problem. Dogs are used to help control them just like coonhounds for Raccoon, foxhounds for fox and Karelians for problem Bears in National parks. This is the only legal activity left for some pitbulls that has anything at all to do with the way this dog has been developed. I don’t think it should be outlawed. That was my point. If we had natural predators like the wolf , cougar and the grizzly
no prey species control would be needed but sadly this is not the case. If you want to pity animals pity the ones we raise for food. If your future was to be hunted and have a chance or to be raised in a pen and treated like shit right up to the point of your throat getting cut which life would you choose ? But hamburgers, bacon, chicken and fish are tasty so we do what we have to. Thanks for calling Jack and I scum…very kind.
Helen if you were choking in a resteraunt and a man saved you by the heimlich maneuver you would probably sue him for attempted rape. You have issues kid.
268. britt rujder said:
April 17, 2008 @ 2:50 pm
Hmmm….I called dogfighters SCUM. Are you a dogfighter, Mike?
269. Mike said:
April 17, 2008 @ 5:32 pm
Hey Britt,
My apologies, you didn’t call Jack and I Dogfighters you just lumped us in with Headcase Helen. Sarah actually said were the type of owners that give pits a bad name,and no I don’t and have ever fought dogs.
270. Jack said:
April 17, 2008 @ 6:27 pm
Brit it sounds like you consider MANY people SCUM.
Are you so angelic ?
You also seem to know everything about pit bulls from the ONE AND ONLY pit bull you have ever owned.